!The White Wolf

The Old Testament isn't the only version of the Bible which states homosexuality is a sin. I believe the second verse stated in one of my previous posts came from the New Testament.

Chiefblackhammer

Geezz...people..come on.

@ Saz. The Bible DOES tell us not to judge others...as we are all equal and have no right to do so. HOWEVER God, being God holy and unchanging, has every right to "judge" right from wrong and he clearly states the acts of homosexuality are sins. Therefore it is not my judgment but God's judgment which I am merely conveying when I say homosexuality is a sin.

Now Rook, the bible never uses the word "homosexual" it speaks about laying (having sex) with members of your own gender as being sin, thus bi, lesbian, gay what ever you want to call it, is sin as they all involve laying with members of your own gender.

Also, as I stated earlier "sin" is a biblical term and thus you have to use the bible to clarify if it is "sin" or not...it isn't about if it is right or wrong in your eyes but in the eyes of the one who defines "sin" and that being the biblical God which has already been established as stating it is a sin.

@ Pyro_psyco, that is a very valid arguement with good foundation if you study the versions of the bible and the manuscripts they came from...BUT if you are going to believe that God is GOD and that the bible is his instructions towards man...then you have to believe he has the power to ensure his word is not made perverse by the wills of man and that he can keep his word holy and sanctified as he himself is holy and sanctified. That however is a personal belief.

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Pyro Psycho

Well wouldn't matter what words from a book without proof says.....at least to me though. People shouldn't be scared or secluded to think that they will go to hell for loving someone of the same gender. Hell, I went through the same crap myself. Couldn't help a thing about it too. Thinking about what would happen to me if I died made it just as worse. But anyone is brought to what they believe in of course. So if God was love wouldn't he accept just anyone? If God loves everyone why would this matter? But well anyone is brought to believing what they wish. Then I really have nothing against that either.

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!The White Wolf

Which is why religious people DO question the Bible at times.
If Love is God, then how could the Bible say such a thing, right? Well.. as Hammer stated, when the Bible speaks of homosexuality being a sin, it is mainly speaking of having sexual relations with someone of the same sex. That is what is seen as a sin.

Chiefblackhammer

Alas such poor information people give and are given, Pyro...being gay doesn't send you to hell...only dis-belief in Jesus as your lord and savior does that. It isn't that God doesn't love homosexuals...he just doesn't like their actions. He created sex as a means to repopulate...homosexuality can't do that thus he doesn't like that it acts to "perverse" his original intent for the act of sex. Again, he doesn't hate homosexuals and it doesn't send one to hell...just that God doesn't like it and thus it is a sin.

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!The White Wolf

Well said! *claps*

Yes, God made men AND women in order to progenerate, and continue making men and women. So when homosexuals have sex.. what is the advantage that comes with that? Nothing. It's going against God's word, (otherwise known as The Bible), making it a sin.

*It isn't the act of loving someone who is of the same gender as yourself that is the sin. It's having sexual relations with them that is. But not everyone sees it that way. So that once again brings us back to it all coming down to one's perspective and background on the situation.

blue_rebel

I can't be entirely certain that God made man homosexual. For all I know, it's really Satan's doing. I mean, look, everyone is born into the world a sinner - at least, that's what I believe. Everyone falls victim to temptation. Homosexuals are no different. I don't see why homosexuality should be viewed differently from other sins. A sin's a sin, who cares what form it's in? So frankly I can't agree with this "God doesn't send homosexuals to hell" stand. I don't mean that if a homosexual died and stood at the gates he would be denied entrance, but look, what is faith and Christianity if you just keep being homosexual? At least, at the very end, if you repent, you go to heaven. But I really don't think you can be a PROUD homosexual and preach the gospel just as proudly at the same time, because then you're just contradicting the words you preach. If you're a homosexual and truly believe that homosexuality is sin you'd be trying like heck to not give in to your homosexual desires (which I believe are triggered by Satan)... and only God can help you win that battle.

I have bi tendencies, I admit, and it's kind of difficult to shake off, but no one ever said things would be easy. And no, I don't intend to profess to the world that I'm bi and happily BE bi, because to me that's wrong. I know God wants me to love every other bi and homosexual in the world, but that doesn't mean I have to be one myself.

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Chiefblackhammer

I hate it when people misconstrue the plan of salvation and state that people go to hell because of sin. BEING A HOMOSEXUAL DOES NOT SEND YOU TO HELL. Period and end of story. Now am I condoning homosexuality…no, but homosexuality is simply 1 sin, there are thousands of them. While you may not be guilty of being homosexual you are guilty of something else, fornication, lying, murder, hatred (which Jesus states is the same as murder in your heart), etc…and yes you are guilty of something:

Does that mean when you get to the gate they are going to tell you sorry…can’t let you in…you lied each and every day (and everyone does, even “white lies” & exaggerations are still lies)…that makes you a practicing liar…and since the Bible states:

Guess that means your going to hell too. SORRY!

The fact is that sin doesn’t send you to hell which is why your theory is well, crap. The only punishment for sin was:
So then what sends you to hell? The bible is very clear that:

The only condition for everlasting life was BELIEF in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. Not belief of him but belief IN him. No where does it state that you have to live a sinless life because neither you nor I or anyone else can do that. Thus why Jesus died on the cross for us in the first place.

We are given grace for when we sin, the bible states that


Now don’t get me wrong that doesn’t give us free reign to sin:

It just means that God understands we aren’t perfect and gives us a means to be forgiven for it, while we should make every effort to no live in sin we aren’t expected to be perfect. So please don’t go around saying people go to hell for being homosexual. They don’t.

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