Hurray for medical Ethics. - Page 2

*koga23* · Oct 09, 2007, 10:25 AM

Does the mother have the right to make that decision?.I am half and half on this if she only has cerebral palsy then no she does not have the right to make that decision.Cerebral palsy is not a mental disability but of the body.I knew some one that had cerebral palsy who which had trouble doing day to day things but had no trouble understanding things.

Now if the daughter has a metal disability as well with cerebral palsy then yes the mother should have some part in the decision as well as the rest of the family IMO.But yet there is no statement about the mental capacity of the girl which leads me to believe.The mother is not so worried if her daughter would understand,but more so that the baby might have cerebral palsy as well and she does not what to have to take care of the baby as well.

Which in that case the mother should have no say in what the girl should give up the baby,But yet some other family member should step in and make the right decision.But thats only speculation on my part if the mother is really doing this because she does not want to have to take care of the baby as well.But from what i read its pretty plausible that may be that case.

But i would like to more of the girls mental state.

Ryoga_TheLost · Oct 09, 2007, 01:18 PM

Oh there is no way the mother should have the right to make those choices for her daughter. That is a mother trying to take control of everything in her daughter's life. I hope that the law doesn't favor to the mother.

aceman67 · Oct 09, 2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by koga23

Does the mother have the right to make that decision?.I am half and half on this if she only has cerebral palsy then no she does not have the right to make that decision.Cerebral palsy is not a mental disability but on of the body.I knew some one that had cerebral palsy who which had trouble doing day to day things but had no trouble understanding things.

See, this is where you're wrong. I too knew someone who has CP, and she is a hell of a lot smarter then I am, but the most severe cases can leave someone severely mentally and physically handicapped. Cerebral means "relating brain". That being said, it can affect a lot more then just motor control over your body.

*koga23* · Oct 09, 2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aceman67

See, this is where you're wrong. I too knew someone who has CP, and she is a hell of a lot smarter then I am, but the most severe cases can leave someone severely mentally and physically handicapped. Cerebral means "relating brain". That being said, it can affect a lot more then just motor control over your body.

Even so there is no true indication in that article of the girls mental state.Other than the mother saying she would not understand,Which could mean a few things the mother is just saying that because she dose not want her daughter to have that baby and having to end up taking care of it as well.

It could also mean the girl is truly incapable of understanding what would be happing if she were to have the baby.But then again we really don't know that from that article.As for the ones that are affected by more then just motor control over your body i would take it are a much smaller number than the ones that have motor problems.

deodaclan18 · Oct 09, 2007, 04:03 PM

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which is not medically necessary

This pretty much made my decision. If the operation is not needed, seeing as how the girl isn't in danger if she doesn't get it and it's more for convenience if anything, then the mother shouldn't be allowed to make that decision, even if she has rights over the girl.

Now if it were a life-threatening situation, then the mother should have the right to ask for the operation, but not like this.

*Arrianna* · Oct 09, 2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by koga23

Even so there is no true indication in that article of the girls mental state.

So here is a few more articles:
Telegraph.co.uk
Daily Mail
News Tin (article links)

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Katie developed cerebral palsy after being starved of oxygen at birth for 38 minutes.

She has the mental capacity of an 18-month- old and understands little of what is said to her.

While capable of showing emotions, she is unable to communicate what she feels.

...and about the Dr.

Quote:

Mr Roberts consulted other specialists, who backed his view, and has now referred the matter to NHS lawyers for approval.

He said: "I think the girl's mother makes a very cogent argument for proceeding with that course of action, albeit it is rather drastic."

Here's a hint, if you don't think a news article tells you enough go do a web search for more information instead of making a decision on incomplete information.

*koga23* · Oct 09, 2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrianna

Here's a hint, if you don't think a news article tells you enough go do a web search for more information instead of making a decision on incomplete information.

I did but came up with nothing,Plus i was short on time to an in depth search for more info on it.

As for the articles,From what i read maybe she should go a head with it.Due to she would not be able to understand what would be happening to her.

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koga23 ~The Master~ Join Date: May 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,161 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Credits: 18,934	Re: Hurray for medical Ethics. Does the mother have the right to make that decision?.I am half and half on this if she only has cerebral palsy then no she does not have the right to make that decision.Cerebral palsy is not a mental disability but of the body.I knew some one that had cerebral palsy who which had trouble doing day to day things but had no trouble understanding things. Now if the daughter has a metal disability as well with cerebral palsy then yes the mother should have some part in the decision as well as the rest of the family IMO.But yet there is no statement about the mental capacity of the girl which leads me to believe.The mother is not so worried if her daughter would understand,but more so that the baby might have cerebral palsy as well and she does not what to have to take care of the baby as well. Which in that case the mother should have no say in what the girl should give up the baby,But yet some other family member should step in and make the right decision.But thats only speculation on my part if the mother is really doing this because she does not want to have to take care of the baby as well.But from what i read its pretty plausible that may be that case. But i would like to more of the girls mental state. __________________ ....Player Killer.... † " There Is Nothing To Fear But F.E.A.R It Self "- (F.E.A.R) † Last edited by koga23; Oct 09, 2007 at 01:22 PM.
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