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Old Sep 06, 2007, 02:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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if everything is made from stardust...

then how i ask you, was anything above iron created? the highest element possible in a star is iron yet incredibly abundant elements such as copper are well... incredibly abundant! how could anything above iron have been made? easy... in my opinion... God
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 02:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

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then how i ask you, was anything above iron created? the highest element possible in a star is iron yet incredibly abundant elements such as copper are well... incredibly abundant! how could anything above iron have been made? easy... in my opinion... God
We are all comprised of combinations of tiny little elements, like carbon. I do believe that it was God who arranged the elements in the proper order, though.
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 03:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

well i think along with star dust there were elements from other planets as well
because planets die letting whats left of them go through space aimlessly,
so things like gold copper beryllium etc. formed this planet from trillions
of space particles from other planets and through millions of years other metals
were made , just like a diamonds come from coal after being pressed and heated
under the earth for millions of years.
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 03:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

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Another airtight argument for Creationism! Ma~an, how can we silly science-minded people argue with you?! Bananas! Startdust! Oh, and don't forget this one:
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 03:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

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We are all comprised of combinations of tiny little elements, like carbon. I do believe that it was God who arranged the elements in the proper order, though.
Damn near everything is carbon based. Anything you find in the dirt you can tell how old it is by carbon dating. In fact--this is my theory--I think that everything came from carbon. Trees live off of carbon dioxide, the very same air that we exhale. There's carbon in stars, planets--Venus, for example, is full of carbon. The atmosphere is carbon dioxide and the air is carbon monoxide (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's not really stardust, more like space debris. If you look at the big bang theory, our universe was created by a huge explosion. That explosion sent all kinds of debris flying all over, which was responsible for the planets and stars we've grown to know now. I wouldn't look at it as stardust, more like the aftermath of a huge natural "disaster".
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 03:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

wa wa wi wa to carbon!!! not hi 5 to "GOD"!!
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 05:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

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then how i ask you, was anything above iron created? the highest element possible in a star is iron yet incredibly abundant elements such as copper are well... incredibly abundant! how could anything above iron have been made? easy... in my opinion... God
. If I remember correctly, the ideal Fusion reactions are...

hydrogen + hydrogen = helium
helium + helium = carbon
carbon + carbon = iron.

Other combinations can occur, but are not as energetic.

For a stable Fusion reaction, Iron is the most stable nucleus, however, only the largest and hottest of stars can obtain this stable reaction. Smaller (and less stable) stars that try to start the next stage of Fusion often end up blowing up in a Nova, scattering their elements across space. And under extreme unstable conditions (such as the core of an exploding Super Nova), excessive energies can force the Fusion of Iron with other elements, creating heavier then Iron elements

See Supernova - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old Sep 06, 2007, 11:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

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For a stable Fusion reaction, Iron is the most stable nucleus, however, only the largest and hottest of stars can obtain this stable reaction. Smaller (and less stable) stars that try to start the next stage of Fusion often end up blowing up in a Nova, scattering their elements across space. And under extreme unstable conditions (such as the core of an exploding Super Nova), excessive energies can force the Fusion of Iron with other elements, creating heavier then Iron elements
Leave it to LenMiyata to give us the correct answer. ^__^ So after these Nova's occur, the debris(Elements) are scattered thru space and eventually make it to earth. The earth was constantly being bombarded with stuff from space like meteors thru out its history. Which probably contained some of these elements. If you want to see how many times the earth has been hit, look at the moons surface.

I think the history or discovery channel had something on this a while ago.
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

I haven't had the time to read the Wikipedia article, but if I remember correctly one of the ways a star can go novae is when its core becomes iron which is too stable for the star to burn normally. Since it has nothing left to burn it collapses under its own huge weight(the reason a star can stay so big is because it pushes outward while it burns, think of how an explosion bushes out). When the rest of the star collapses in and impacts the iron core it literally bounces off and shoots out into space. That impact to the core squeezes it into even heavier elements and thats how you get elements that are past iron on the periodic table.


Edit: Copper isn't "incredibly abundant", we are just lucky to have some on our planet. If you think of what the rest of the universe is made of everything that we can see is around .5% of everything. A bigger portion, yet still rather small, about 4%, is just atoms that are not configured into elements and are just floating out between stars. Then about 25% is made of something called Cold Dark Matter and isn't even made of atoms. The rest is something called Dark Energy and very little is known about it.
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Old Sep 11, 2007, 06:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

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Grumble Grumble Grumble

. If I remember correctly, the ideal Fusion reactions are...

hydrogen + hydrogen = helium
helium + helium = carbon
carbon + carbon = iron.

Other combinations can occur, but are not as energetic.

For a stable Fusion reaction, Iron is the most stable nucleus, however, only the largest and hottest of stars can obtain this stable reaction. Smaller (and less stable) stars that try to start the next stage of Fusion often end up blowing up in a Nova, scattering their elements across space. And under extreme unstable conditions (such as the core of an exploding Super Nova), excessive energies can force the Fusion of Iron with other elements, creating heavier then Iron elements

See Supernova - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
actually the easiest ones to occur are

H+H=HE
HE+HE=C
C+C=SI
SI+SI=FE

but things can happen like hydrogen+carbon and it makes i think nitrogen or sumthing

as for teh thing with the supernova... i suppose that makes sense so ya question answed

but i still think god exsits

and to ishmal ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ATOMS NOT TO BE AN ELEMENT! ITF IT HAS PROTONS ITS AN ELEMENT!
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Re: if everything is made from stardust...

until some scientific explanation for sure tells us how than i would have to agree with you
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