Illegal Immigrants - Page 3

Scourge · Feb 12, 2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloudgirl101

I think that if government wants to get rid of immigrants, they should stop whining and do something about it. My uncle was an illegal, and he had a hard job that he took care of his wife and daughter with. What most of the posts here arent noting is that these immigrants, these illegals, are less than dirt poor and usually have famalies that they have to care for, and these families are usually starving, sick, or both. Plus, its usually the man that works, with the woman staying at home taking care of the family.

I think that if an illegal immigrant comes in, they should become legal when they can afford it.

We are not blind to what is happeneing for those who come here illegaly and I am not saying that they are all bad. What I am saying is that there is soooooooooooooooo many that it is a mager problem because that pushes out people who are already here, and like I said before, they dont have documentation and you dont know if they are dangerous. I have no problem with some one working their ass off to become legal, but like I said before that there are so many that even the illegals are having a hard time getting a job. And what chaifs my ass is that about half of those who come here illegaly expect and demand the same benifits and right as the legals and are not doing anything to better them selves. I am sorry to say that but I dont think they should have the same rights and benifits. It would be similar to some ranbum person just walking into your house, kicks back on your sofa, puts their feet on your table and demands that you bring them a soda and make them a sandwitch and your just standing there saying, wtf?!

LostbutFound · Feb 12, 2008, 10:18 AM

My personal thought on so called "illegal immigrants " Is that america took half of mexico the part which is southern california and alot of other place torwards that way so who is eny one to say that a person is illegal because they want a better life. when americans go to another country are they called "illegal" i dont think so so please evaluate what america really is and what they have done before people begin judging those who have came here to make a better life

!Mini Dev · Feb 12, 2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LostbutFound

My personal thought on so called "illegal immigrants " Is that america took half of mexico the part which is southern california and alot of other place torwards that way so who is eny one to say that a person is illegal because they want a better life. when americans go to another country are they called "illegal" i dont think so so please evaluate what america really is and what they have done before people begin judging those who have came here to make a better life

I half agree but half don't when you say americans arent called illegal thats probably because they don't cross...ILLEGALLY

i am 100% wiht you for the better life and they took part of their country, they might want it back!

*atomik_sprout* · Feb 12, 2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloudgirl101

I think that if government wants to get rid of immigrants, they should stop whining and do something about it. My uncle was an illegal, and he had a hard job that he took care of his wife and daughter with. What most of the posts here arent noting is that these immigrants, these illegals, are less than dirt poor and usually have famalies that they have to care for, and these families are usually starving, sick, or both. Plus, its usually the man that works, with the woman staying at home taking care of the family.

I think that if an illegal immigrant comes in, they should become legal when they can afford it.

Y'see, that's not how it's supposed to work. You're supposed to be able to afford it BEFORE you come here, or at least apply for some type of assistance from the government. But, that's called doin' it the LEGAL way. You can't just come here and expect to have full rights as a citizen when ya just sneaked your way in. It's unfair to those who are doin' it the right way.

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Originally Posted by The Last Flame

I think we should be working harder to rid as many illegals as we can. I think the wall would be a great idea only if we can find a way to make sure illegals don't get around it. So that it is not a waste of time. If they want in so bad they should get in the legal way. If it was the other way around I am sure they would not want a bunch of random illegal people over filling their country.

Yeah, there are a lot of people who say the same things. But there's one problem. You can't just look at someone and say, "That man's an illegal immigrant!" How would you know? The government doesn't have the time and energy to just pick random people off the streets and interrogate them, simply because the look foreign. But they are doin' something about it. (And Cloudgirl101, believe me they ARE doin' somethin' about it. We whine, the government doesn't.) People get deported from this country all the time, when it comes to dealing with illegal immigrants. Nobody ever hears about it because the media doesn't believe that's important news. But it DOES happen.

In fact:

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Illegal immigrants living in states and cities that have adopted strict immigration policies are packing up and moving back to their home countries or to neighboring states.
The exodus has been fueled by a wave of laws targeting illegal immigrants in Oklahoma, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia and elsewhere. Many were passed after congressional efforts to overhaul the immigration system collapsed in June.

Immigrants say the laws have raised fears of workplace raids and deportation.

"People now are really frightened and scared because they don't know what's going to happen," says Juliana Stout, an editor at the newspaper El Nacional de Oklahoma. "They're selling houses. They're leaving the country."

Illegal immigrants moving out - USATODAY.com

But just because there are laws and people to enforce those laws, that doesn't mean it's easy work. There will probably be illegal immigrants here until we put a big dome around the country or just say screw it and merge with Mexico and Canada.

Scourge · Feb 12, 2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LostbutFound

My personal thought on so called "illegal immigrants " Is that america took half of mexico the part which is southern california and alot of other place torwards that way so who is eny one to say that a person is illegal because they want a better life. when americans go to another country are they called "illegal" i dont think so so please evaluate what america really is and what they have done before people begin judging those who have came here to make a better life

Yes the United States did infact take territory away from Mexico. But guess what, so did with about every other country around the world at some point in time did infact take land from their nabors so saying "yeah well we took their land" is not a solid peace of ground for a counter argument and saying that is why they are comming here... I dont know where your getting your information or if its all baised on your feelings but the fact is that Mexicans are not comming here to retake their land, they are comming here to get the hell out of Mexaco and to make a better life for them selves. If Mexaco had sothern California it wouldnt make much of a difference, they would still be crossing the borders and this will still be an issue and they would still be illegal. An American going to another country for a few days is called a turist not an illegal immigrant because they are not going there to live. Now if they are going to move to another country they have to work their ass off just like every one else in order to gain citizen ship in said country.

Now for me to drive this thing home is that I live in Souther California I can tell you that chaves or how ever you spell his name, the Mexican president is a completely and total horse's ass. He constantly talks crap about us here in Souther California and how "BAD" we are to hispanics when the reason why Mexicans are leaving Mexicao is because they are trying to get away from him and the country that he completely ruined. A few days ago he came here for talks with our GOVANATOR (beat you guys to it haha) and all he did was spewing garbage and insult him, our country, the people in So Cal, and even his own people who were comming here to get away from him. He was literaly spitting on us. He was doing everything but taking a crap in our frount yards.

Luminous · Feb 12, 2008, 11:18 AM

Personally, I think more of these immigrants should hitch hike up north to our land of beaver-pelts and maple syrup. The popuation of Mexico City is higher than all of Canada put together. Why don't they move here, we'll take them, we need people!

Anyways, I don't have too much to add on the subject, since I'm not from America, it's pretty much a non-issue to me. I will say that America generally is a bit too paranoid about immigrants and their effect on the economy, and so forth. And about the multi-lingual effect with Spanish becoming prevelat, who cares? We have French and English in Canada, and seeing french translations on box arts for games and so forth doesn't effect me in the least.
I would like to add that I'm not terribly educated on the subject, so my opinion is possibly biased by that.

bellocanlver · Feb 12, 2008, 11:57 AM

im a mexican but not illegal, i support those who come to america and work to support their families back in mexico. i dislike when an illegal immigrant comes here and hurts others or is a member of a gang.

!Mini Dev · Feb 13, 2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bellocanlver

im a mexican but not illegal, i support those who come to america and work to support their families back in mexico. i dislike when an illegal immigrant comes here and hurts others or is a member of a gang.

I agree I wouldn't mind them coming into America even if it was illegal just to help their family because that shows great resposibilty in certain aspects however joining gangs shooting, hurting people for their money is the cheap way through, destroying America's people, so i understand why some Americans are angry and upset about Mexicans entering America also the loss of jobs fly's into action as well, even though *Above posts* It is illegal.

tsurara · Feb 13, 2008, 02:40 AM

The process of coming in legally should be easier... while the process of coming in illegally should be made harder.

Reguardless of the reasoning: breaking the law is generally unacceptable. The last people we want in this country are those who have already broken the law just in entering it.

That said, I think legal immigration is too difficult and given the obvious requirement we have for the lower-end labor sectors currently being filled by illegally hired illegal immigrants, we probably stand to lose very little in making the process slightly more user-friendly and 21st century-ready.

My own stepfather took 5 YEARS to complete the legitimate process of becoming a citizen and he is legally squeaky clean, fluent in English, employed and married to an American citizen. For the 5 years in the meantime he had to take a full battery of annual tests, travel for interviews (most over 6 hours away), obtain multiple papers and certifications and was barred from travelling outside of the country until he got his permanant green-card (which took 2 years in and of itself).

If it takes 5 YEARS and all that to become a citizen-- I'm not surprised why so many opt skip it. Especially if they doubt their language, brain or pocket-power. The process is not easy... nor is it cheap.

*atomik_sprout* · Feb 13, 2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Luminous

Personally, I think more of these immigrants should hitch hike up north to our land of beaver-pelts and maple syrup. The popuation of Mexico City is higher than all of Canada put together. Why don't they move here, we'll take them, we need people!

Anyways, I don't have too much to add on the subject, since I'm not from America, it's pretty much a non-issue to me. I will say that America generally is a bit too paranoid about immigrants and their effect on the economy, and so forth. And about the multi-lingual effect with Spanish becoming prevelat, who cares? We have French and English in Canada, and seeing french translations on box arts for games and so forth doesn't effect me in the least.
I would like to add that I'm not terribly educated on the subject, so my opinion is possibly biased by that.

You can say that you think that Americans are too paranoid about immigrants and the economy, but you're not from here and your country has free health care, so your economy is probably kickin' ass right about now. Plus the fact that your country doesn't see nearly a third of the problems our country faces is a big factor in your lack of education in the subject. Let me give you an example:

Let's say that myself and about 6/8 of the population of Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin and Michigan all decided, "Screw the US, we're movin' to Canada!" Now, we didn't get passports or any type of documents saying that we're legally migrating to Canadia (yeah, I intentionally mispelled Canada--it's a MN joke) and we just cross the border or head to Canada via Lake Superior. Because of this massive movement of illegal immigrants to your country, your economy backslides and your free health care dissapears to compensate for the lack of resources your country once had. How would you feel about me being in your country then?

That's pretty much what we go through on a daily basis, due to lack of funds to support the people who really need it; because a vast amount of people are coming here illegaly to obtain funds, resources and property that shouldn't be going to them in the first place.

*The GunGrave of Trigun* · Feb 16, 2008, 10:49 AM

Well i think they should come in legal because when they come in ilegal its sick they dont have to pay taxes and they get food stamps and we have to pay for them i dont care if alot of them come in as legals its there right but when they take are jobs and money its not cool and it should not be allowed but if like i said if they did it the legal way i would not care.

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LostbutFound Otaku Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Behind you ...........boo ha im a duck Posts: 306 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,362	Re: Illegal Immigrants My personal thought on so called "illegal immigrants " Is that america took half of mexico the part which is southern california and alot of other place torwards that way so who is eny one to say that a person is illegal because they want a better life. when americans go to another country are they called "illegal" i dont think so so please evaluate what america really is and what they have done before people begin judging those who have came here to make a better life __________________ In order to judge other you first have to be able to judge yourself, then we must all except each others as equals
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Luminous Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: This is a User Title in disguise Posts: 231 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Credits: 17,085	Re: Illegal Immigrants Personally, I think more of these immigrants should hitch hike up north to our land of beaver-pelts and maple syrup. The popuation of Mexico City is higher than all of Canada put together. Why don't they move here, we'll take them, we need people! Anyways, I don't have too much to add on the subject, since I'm not from America, it's pretty much a non-issue to me. I will say that America generally is a bit too paranoid about immigrants and their effect on the economy, and so forth. And about the multi-lingual effect with Spanish becoming prevelat, who cares? We have French and English in Canada, and seeing french translations on box arts for games and so forth doesn't effect me in the least. I would like to add that I'm not terribly educated on the subject, so my opinion is possibly biased by that.
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bellocanlver Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 180 Thanks: 3 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Credits: 5,387	Re: Illegal Immigrants im a mexican but not illegal, i support those who come to america and work to support their families back in mexico. i dislike when an illegal immigrant comes here and hurts others or is a member of a gang. __________________ Temari is so Cool
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tsurara anti-semantics Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shikoku Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 5 Thanked 81 Times in 55 Posts Credits: 61,124	Re: Illegal Immigrants The process of coming in legally should be easier... while the process of coming in illegally should be made harder. Reguardless of the reasoning: breaking the law is generally unacceptable. The last people we want in this country are those who have already broken the law just in entering it. That said, I think legal immigration is too difficult and given the obvious requirement we have for the lower-end labor sectors currently being filled by illegally hired illegal immigrants, we probably stand to lose very little in making the process slightly more user-friendly and 21st century-ready. My own stepfather took 5 YEARS to complete the legitimate process of becoming a citizen and he is legally squeaky clean, fluent in English, employed and married to an American citizen. For the 5 years in the meantime he had to take a full battery of annual tests, travel for interviews (most over 6 hours away), obtain multiple papers and certifications and was barred from travelling outside of the country until he got his permanant green-card (which took 2 years in and of itself). If it takes 5 YEARS and all that to become a citizen-- I'm not surprised why so many opt skip it. Especially if they doubt their language, brain or pocket-power. The process is not easy... nor is it cheap. __________________ <-RUNAWAYS-> <-lemonsquares? yay!-> <-Mmrs->
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The GunGrave of Trigun Tournaments Won: 1 One O Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hell Posts: 1,099 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 24 Posts Credits: 21,501	Re: Illegal Immigrants Well i think they should come in legal because when they come in ilegal its sick they dont have to pay taxes and they get food stamps and we have to pay for them i dont care if alot of them come in as legals its there right but when they take are jobs and money its not cool and it should not be allowed but if like i said if they did it the legal way i would not care. __________________ Anime is a killer Queen March in Black Parade One o Queen o Arcade
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