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Originally Posted by tsurara  I made no assumption. You replied to an argument made previously in a direct reference:
That would seem to imply you're saying the forms are available in multiple languages and thus remove language from the equation.
behold: US Citizenship Application Process
It will note that Form N-400 is required to apply. That form is here
Note that it (and all informational pages linking to it) are entirely in English.
In addition:
"The USCIS will send you an interview notice in the mail that will tell you the date, time and place of your interview. If you fail to bring the necessary documents, your case may be delayed or denied. During the interview, your ability to read, write and speak English will be tested. You will also have answer a set of civics questions to test your knowledge and understanding of the U.S. History and Government. "
Furthermore, the availability of Spanish-language signage and material in your area doesn't help someone from India, Pakistan, China, Japan, Yugoslavia or Norway a bit...
If you wanted only to share your remarkable experience of living in the Southwest, hooray... but this is the debate and discuss forum.. and frankly, as an argument ~ your experience holds no water. |
On the contrary your rebuttal has no basis instead since he is discussing
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (the subject of the thread) who speak and read
SPANISH. When we start getting millions of people from "India, Pakistan, China, Japan, Yugoslavia or Norway" crossing our southern border illegally then you can claim unavailable translations for them as a rebuttal. Until then your point is invalid.
Oh and while I am here....
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Originally Posted by tsurara The issue wasn't the length of time so much as the paperwork, education and sheer amount of support and money the process requires: |
So what?
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Originally Posted by tsurara 1) Many of the people coming in illegally CAN'T get work visas because they are not trained... nor do they have the means or connections to secure employment before leaving the country. Work visas aren't awarded ~to find~ a job... they're given to those who already have jobs lined up. |
Riiight. You don't know legal Mexican immigrants then. Everyone saves up so one of them can get a job then they refer another one to another job and and the next thing you know everyone from one village is working in the same industry, LEGALLY. It's called networking and it works for everyone not just citizens.
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Originally Posted by tsurara 2) Most immigrants (legal or illegal) do not speak English perfectly (or anywhere near it), nor do most of their families speak English at all -- meaning many of them can't even understand the forms to fill out, much less pass an English language interview exam, history exam, driver's liscence test, etc. Even if they do, their families won't be able to speak English. |
Again, so what? I take you are also not familiar with the sheer number of translation services available. It is actually sickening since most of them are here for the ILLEGAL aliens let along the legal Immigrants. I wish it was a problem then maybe we wouldn't have one with illegal immigrants.
Which brings us right back to Scourge's extremely valid point.
Mar 04, 2008, 02:36 PM
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