Thread: Israel V.S Palestine

Originally Posted by Arrianna

Did I mention the president of Hamas says they are closer to victory and that the blood shed (his own people's blood) won't be wasted? If that doesn't put the situation in perspective what does? One of the two groups actually cares about what happens to it's civilians and it's not Hamas.

Peh, speeches like that mean little to nothing. Do you think anyone would say "Well we're in the vast minority both in manpower and in military technology and probably even in ideology. Basically we have no chance whatsoever! But err... keep it up folks! Yay Hamas!"

When you hound a group of people with their backs against the wall, human lives will start to mean less and less. No matter which people we're talking about. If they can't win with a conventional military, guerrilla/freedom fighter/terrorist tactics will be used. There's nothing strange about that. Especially when you combine it with a handy cause/ideology/religion.

What would your solution to the problem be then? Wiping all Palestinians off the face of the earth?






Also, Scourge, I'd like to see some proof that Palestinians have 'always' persecuted Jews and helped the Nazis during World War 2. Hell, I would even be interested in seeing proof of Palestinians treating the Jews worse than any European nation throughout the ages. Antisemitism isn't a 20th century term you know. (It's actually a 19th century term! Haha. Well, you know what I mean.)

The reason why I did not mention the mistreatment of the Jewish else where is because I thought I didn’t need to do to it being kind of self evident as it is.
As for finding evidence about Palestinians helping the Nazis by ratting them out and supporting the Final Solution plan is not hard to find really. I am not saying all Palestinians did, but a large number of them did.

Originally Posted by Scourge

The reason why I did not mention the mistreatment of the Jewish else where is because I thought I didn’t need to do to it being kind of self evident as it is.
As for finding evidence about Palestinians helping the Nazis by ratting them out and supporting the Final Solution plan is not hard to find really. I am not saying all Palestinians did, but a very large number of them did.

Good! If it's so easy to find I don't think you'll have any difficulty supplying me with some of it.

Originally Posted by Hassun

Good! If it's so easy to find I don't think you'll have any difficulty supplying me with some of it.

I would be happy to as soon as I get home, I am at work right now just wating for confermation from another person. I can't fly around willy nilly on the web. Im sure you can understand that so please bear with me.

Originally Posted by Hassun

Peh, speeches like that mean little to nothing. Do you think anyone would say "Well we're in the vast minority both in manpower and in military technology and probably even in ideology. Basically we have no chance whatsoever! But err... keep it up folks! Yay Hamas!"

By itself you would be right but when you combine it with their actions of every time there is peace they just send in suicide bombers or blow up school buses, and that they have said they won't be finished until Israel doesn't exist and everything in total equals that they don't care who dies, including their own people be they man, women, or child, as long as they can destroy Israel.

Taken in that context saying they are closer to victory is more likely to mean "if we can piss them off enough that they won't stop then the other Arabic countries will start a war defending us that will finally let us wipe Israel off the map."

Originally Posted by Arrianna

By itself you would be right but when you combine it with their actions of every time there is peace they just send in suicide bombers or blow up school buses, and that they have said they won't be finished until Israel doesn't exist and everything in total equals that they don't care who dies, including their own people be they man, women, or child, as long as they can destroy Israel.

Taken in that context saying they are closer to victory is more likely to mean "if we can piss them off enough that they won't stop then the other Arabic countries will start a war defending us that will finally let us wipe Israel off the map."

Every time there's peace? Has there really been peace in that region since the formation of Israel?

And I don't think Israel has to fear an invasion at the moment. The surrounding countries are nothing against Israel's military might. Look how bad they got spanked just for even thinking about it back in 1967. Then trying and losing yet again in '73 (resulting in a 24/7 operational Israeli military). I'm even a bit surprised Israel hasn't openly used it's nuclear arsenal as a threat to deter possible attacks. I guess they prefer to keep that card to themselves.


All in all, I highly doubt this is an effective way to fight terrorism. Many have tried using the all-out military attack strategy against it but I don't think there has even been a single success that way. Such actions even tend to create more terrorism than before. (Same for utterly stupid actions like cutting off the Gaza strip from many of a human's primary needs.)


Edit:
I could suggest removing religion from the equation but that's just wishful thinking on my part I guess.

Originally Posted by Hassun

Every time there's peace? Has there really been peace in that region since the formation of Israel?

Then call it a cease fire if you like. Everytime things cool off and they reopen their borders. The statement still stands as accurate. Hamas won't rest until they are all dead, has said so, and has shown so by their own actions. Can you show reason to believe otherwise?


If you think going in and killing the people trying to kill them is so ineffective you come up with a solution for them that will stop Hamas. I would love to hear it. Give another option that doesn't involve just lying down and taking it, (as no country should have to).