Thread: Israel V.S Palestine

Originally Posted by Hassun

It was a warehouse packed with food supplies. Not a house populated by innocent bystanders.

Which had evidently given refuge to hundreds of people according to the UN. I watched an interview with the UN representative about the bombing and he fumed about all the people that could have been injured. However when asked point blank whether or not it was true Hamas had used places like that before to fire from all he did was scream about how outrageous it was they fired on a UN compound; or in other words they don't care if Hamas uses their compounds and installations to fire upon their enemies but anyone who dares to fire back on UN property is the one in the wrong.

Originally Posted by Hassun

Why do you keep pointing to the neighboring Muslim countries?

It's called seeing the forest instead of the trees. It's my way of taking religion/Zionism out of the equation. Because people are not unbiased when discussing Israel I like to take a look at their enemies through others eyes in order to get a less radical view of what they are like. The point is that Hamas does not bear up well under any looking glass no matter which one it is.

Originally Posted by Hassun

I bet it's a whole lot less obvious to the average Joe actually living there Arrianna. I have little doubt that getting rid of Hamas is exactly what Israel is trying to do, but I don't think they're being very successful at doing it.

Oh I don't know. It looks like they have managed to get most of their leaders. Some would say that is pretty successful.

Originally Posted by Hassun

You seem to think it's a bad thing but that what organizations like the UN and a country like the USA in particular do. But that's what they do. Meddle with foreign affairs. For noble and a whole lot less noble reasons I'm sure. But that's how it is. And in a rapidly globalizing world. That isn't going to change.

On the contrary any country should meddle in the affairs of any other country that will impact their countries security or economic interest. National security is far more important then people gives it credit for. My problem with the UN is that it has been taken over from the inside by the very types of people it was created to protect the world from. The UN now is nothing more then a dictators club to move forward their political agenda against less powerful countries and they look away as others use their organization for their own purposes as long as it doesn't hurt them personally. Rampant corruption and constant grafting keeps me from being surprised by Hamas and Islamic Jihad planting teachers there, they probably have the best schools.

Originally Posted by Hassun

Let's look at it from an even darker angle for a minute. The next elections in Israel are in February. The opposition party Likud is doing better than the Kadima party in the polls. Maybe the timing of the offensive is related to that? A quick success would surely earn some extra votes wouldn't it?

Possibly. They have also said they would like to be finished well before Obama's inauguration if Hamas can behave itself. Interesting yes?

Originally Posted by Hassun

But it mostly says that certain people from North Africa and the Middle East collaborated with the Germans. Which isn't such a strange thing as people from all over the world did that.

I found the article very interesting. The point of it was exactly who those individuals were. No more or less then the ones responsible for setting policy and for leading others in the region. Sure it's no big deal if "Joe" down the street supports NAZI propaganda but if it is a state governor, federal cabinet member, or even the president himself?

Originally Posted by TaurusDemon23

I know this might be considered a "troll" response, but this is a troll with major hit die(If you never played D&D you'll never understand), dammit!

If you think about it, aren't the Israelis getting dangerously close to being compared to those quintessential "villains" of World War 2 and their one time tormentors, the Nazis?

I mean, they got the whole "lebensraum" thing down, needing more land for more jews, taking more and more Palestinian land for settlers.
Then, they have their Warsaw Ghetto with the Gaza Strip, denying the people stranded in there(yes, I daresay stranded) of the basics with some flimsy excuse after another.

Now, there's the obscene Palestinian body count during their latest round of "target practice".

Next thing we know, there will be concentration camps full of Palestinians. Will the Israelis stop when they hit 6,000,000?

If only there were that many Palestinians, huh?

Ah, comrade, we meet again! To paraphrase the anti-Zionist (yay!) moderator Hassun here, "spot on"! I believe you have been doing your homework. If I am not mistaken, you have read or at least heard of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", yes?

Originally Posted by Mao

Ah, comrade, we meet again! To paraphrase the anti-Zionist (yay!) moderator Hassun here, "spot on"! I believe you have been doing your homework. If I am not mistaken, you have read or at least heard of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", yes?

Ho ho ho there, anti-Zionist? I do hope you were joking on that one.


Not to reply to every single paragraph again (it's making posts far too long) I'll just make one global reply.

Let's just see how the situation will unfold and if the attacks by Hamas have truly stopped for good. (That line about how they expect them to 'behave' was hilarious. )

I'll leave the purpose, use and history of the UN undiscussed. It would lead us too far from the topic at hand.

As for the Nazi related article. I hope you're not trying to find specific Arab-related faults in such a thing. The list of collaborating areas and people of high (political) standing during WWII is very long AND diverse.

I don't understand much of the part about how you try to take religion/Zionism out of the equation though. Is what you're saying something like "since everyone's picking on Israel and their religion I'll just see all the Arabian countries around it as one big pile of Jew-hating Muslims who all band together"?

Originally Posted by Hassun

Ho ho ho there, anti-Zionist? I do hope you were joking on that one.


Not to reply to every single paragraph again (it's making posts far too long) I'll just make one global reply.

Let's just see how the situation will unfold and if the attacks by Hamas have truly stopped for good. (That line about how they expect them to 'behave' was hilarious. )

I'll leave the purpose, use and history of the UN undiscussed. It would lead us too far from the topic at hand.

As for the Nazi related article. I hope you're not trying to find specific Arab-related faults in such a thing. The list of collaborating areas and people of high (political) standing during WWII is very long AND diverse.

I don't understand much of the part about how you try to take religion/Zionism out of the equation though. Is what you're saying something like "since everyone's picking on Israel and their religion I'll just see all the Arabian countries around it as one big pile of Jew-hating Muslims who all band together"?

Your words betray your bias You should be proud to take a stand against Zionist imperialism.

I've heard of "The Protocols",though I've never read it myself. I do understand it to be a hoax though.Still, It's a classic of anti-mason, Jew-haters everywhere.

And for the record, I'm against any sort of tyranny that hinders humanity's soul and makes the world a shittier place for everyone else.

Funny thing is, there's too many that want to be in charge of everything and everyone. Too many think they are better than everyone else and are "meant to rule".

To all who have this mindset: Give it a ****ing rest already, dammit! No one will ever be powerful enough to truly conquer the entire world. Whatever strange force that works behind the scenes here has never allowed it, and never will. God, Providence, Karma, The Weirdness, The Collective Spirit Of The World.........Whatever it is just isn't having it.

Peace to anyone who seeks it, no matter what color, creed, or sexual orientation they belong to. I toke my bowl of herbs in this spirit.

Anyways, back on topic. I look forward to seeing how "Attempt # Umpteen for Peace in the Middle East" will go. Will it be an actual breakthrough, or will it just be another failure? I almost want to start a betting pool on it. Almost, lol.

Originally Posted by TaurusDemon23

I've heard of "The Protocols",though I've never read it myself. I do understand it to be a hoax though.Still, It's a classic of anti-mason, Jew-haters everywhere.

And for the record, I'm against any sort of tyranny that hinders humanity's soul and makes the world a shittier place for everyone else.

Funny thing is, there's too many that want to be in charge of everything and everyone. Too many think they are better than everyone else and are "meant to rule".

To all who have this mindset: Give it a ****ing rest already, dammit! No one will ever be powerful enough to truly conquer the entire world. Whatever strange force that works behind the scenes here has never allowed it, and never will. God, Providence, Karma, The Weirdness, The Collective Spirit Of The World.........Whatever it is just isn't having it.

Peace to anyone who seeks it, no matter what color, creed, or sexual orientation they belong to. I toke my bowl of herbs in this spirit.

Anyways, back on topic. I look forward to seeing how "Attempt # Umpteen for Peace in the Middle East" will go. Will it be an actual breakthrough, or will it just be another failure? I almost want to start a betting pool on it. Almost, lol.

No, the Zionists wish you to believe that it is a hoax so that they can carry out their plans unopposed. As one of your Western philosophers puts it, "One of the devil's greatest lies is to make people not believe he exists." Do you not think that the Zionists are doing likewise?

Middle East peace cannot be possible as long as your western media propagates outright lies such as these:









Do not believe these lies. They only wish to make Arabs look bad.

*shrug* What's funny is that the "Nazi" salute was a roman salute in the first place. The Nazis were an attempt at a remake of Rome, or at least a Germanic Rome.....

"The Protocols" was a strange bastardization of an old, early 1800's commentary on Napoleon's megalomania. It was rewrote by people until it took it's current, freemason-hating, jew-baiting form.
It's kind of like the Bible, or the Koran, or any other holy book for that matter. Edited and edited until it says what their editors wanted them to, though completely unrecognizable to what was wrote in the first place.

It's all lame propaganda to me.