The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) - Page 3

Lupas · Oct 07, 2007, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsurara

As you haven't provided a link to the poll of which you're speaking, it's a bit difficult to tell why the numbers worked out how they did, but I'm guessing that the person or organization polling those Scientists were themselves religious if the numbers came out so skewed as to imply that I was "told wrong" and that most scientists are indeed religious.

I grew up around scientists. I have known (and do know) many. And seeing as I have never met one who was actively religious (a handful of agnostics, but no church-goers), I'm guessing that poll is not representative (or was done in the deep south with funding from The 700 Club).

I certainly know no Scientists who are fundimentalists or literally believe the words written in the bible.

I believe that Science and faith are NOT necesarily in conflict. Many Scientists may very well accept the POSSIBILITY of God's existance (as it can't be disproven) or even turn to faith in times of crisis: but very few will defend his existance scientifically or thump bibles. I'm sure there a few... but if they are so numerous, why have I never met one, in spite of having Scientists at the dinner table since I was four...?

I found some stats of my own:
Statistics

Granted, they come from an atheist organization, so they're hardly objective. But even if you don't accept them: they at least show how easy it is to manipulate information to support your cause.

A more well-documented link:
Leading Scientists Still Reject God

And from Wikipedia: " In total, about 60% of scientists in the United States expressed disbelief or doubt in such a god. This compared with 58% in 1914 and 67% in 1933. Among leading scientists defined as members of the National Academy of Sciences, 72.2% expressed disbelief and 93% - disbelief or doubt in the existence of a personal god in 1998." from: Relationship between religion and science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even those who express belief in a God (or the possibility of one) are not necesarily religious in the traditional sense. I believe in the possibility of a Judeo-Christian God myself... but I am not Christian. And according to most Christians, I'm still going to hell.

If belief in the "possibility" of a God is not enough to save my soul, why is it enough to support the cause of religion that it is somehow scientifically sound or accepted as compatable?

I, myself, am religious and had quite a few angry confrontations with my father. I don't think myself "unscientific", but I DO find fundimentalism ridiculous and literal interpretation of any scripture impossible.

that's all good 2 hear, but the existance of god isn't in ques. it's how it speaks 2 us. i don't believe we're sticking 2 the topic here

thanx

toonfan630 · Oct 07, 2007, 01:58 PM

*Ahem* I'm no relegious Betty but, here is what I have chosen to think since I was a child. God can't speak to us. His language is of no verbal conception. Only those that are of spiritual being can hear what He says.

I never read the Bible. But from what I've learned in church, God spoke to a few people. But no one else heard. Those people were only messengers there to tell others of what God told them.

Now, the people that God spoke to were of very spiritual perspective and they were needed to do jobs for Him. So, I only assumed if God were to speak a language everyone understood, he could have just told everyone. I think he spoke to those selected mentally as in telepathiclly.

I truly don't believe God talks at all to humans.

Corvus · Oct 08, 2007, 02:24 AM

Ok so I could read everything in the post then try to make an answer that'd make sense to everyone but that takes time and I'm really lazy like that so I think I'll just stick to the original question with my answer.
I'm not the most relegious of people or the smartest or greatest of scientits. But even I know that emotion the things that we feel pure thought (what so many people fail to accurately express) is how I would communicate with people If I was all powerful and all seing. Things would just be alot easier that way. So I imagine that God would work much along the same lines communicating his message through spiritual emotion and true thought. If we only take the time to listen.

0n1-suka · Oct 08, 2007, 03:23 AM

I havnt bothered to read the whole thread so I have no idea if this has been mentioned before

In the old testament there's a story about a king named Babel , neways , the story goes aproximatly as fallowed , babel was a powerfull king that ruled on a great deal of land , but he wanted to be respected as a god so he ordered his subjects to make him the biggest tower ever seen , tall enough so it could reach heavens. since at the time all humans spoke the same language regardless of where you were from , king Babel had alot of subjects.

before reaching the clouds God suposovly destroyed the tower and cursed humans for tryna reach Eden , creating difrent language on earth so even if we were all humans , we couldn't communicate together.

I'm not sure what the language before Babel was . proly jewish

Edit: i found a wiki on the tower of babel , its quite interesting if you dont already know the story Link to wiki

Edit2: i read through the thread and noticed people saying that modern science kinda disproves the existence of God , I just wanted to point out that most of the major scientific breakthrough during the past 2000 years are due to the kabbalah , a 15 page doccument written by a rabbi that was visited by a fallen angel who told him to write the kabbalah.

Isak Nueton , Albert Einstein , Robert Oppenheimer (guy who created the first H-bomb) and countless other great mind were all renowned kabbalists , it is said and proven that evrything these ppl discovered was already written in the kabbalah wich is the most ancient of all wisdoms , it goes back to the time of Abram the patriarch in the 18th century BC. some 3800 years ago . Some of you will say " well how can so much knowlege be stuffed into a 15 page book barely bigger then your average magazine" ,it is said that the kabbalah was written in codes , to this day the greatest minds and scientists of our generation are still studying the kabbalah scriptures.

*Arrianna* · Oct 08, 2007, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsurara

As you haven't provided a link to the poll of which you're speaking, it's a bit difficult to tell why the numbers worked out how they did, but I'm guessing that the person or organization polling those Scientists were themselves religious if the numbers came out so skewed as to imply that I was "told wrong" and that most scientists are indeed religious.

You are the one that said that the one precluded the other. Even using the numbers you found on atheist sites it still leaves 40% of the scientists who evidently disagree with you, my point after all.

I have been watching these polls (with past results between 50-60% non-religious) for a few years and the trend toward religion does not surprise me. You may not know of religious scientists (perhaps due to your families personal beliefs) but I have been reading writings by them for years and they themselves have commented on the change. The sites I gave you had links to article on just those subjects as well. I tracked down the most recent of these studies ('07) but cannot give you more then the link since a peer subscription is required. Several of the articles refer to it however so I can give you a little of their findings.

In a study of "2,198 faculty members" from "21 elite U.S. research universities" the results were:

Disbelief in God by Academics
Discipline %
Physics 40.8
Chemistry 26.6
Biology 41.0
Overall 37.6
Sociology 34.0
Economics 31.7
Political Science 27.0
Psychology 33.0
Overall 31.2

The leading factors of whether or not these scientists were religious were; how they were raised (parents beliefs), if they were married and had children (more likely to believe in God then someone shacking up), and lastly their age. Evidently when you break down the ages of the scientists the percentage of religious is higher among the newer scientists, again the increase of scientists who want to know how God did it being something I have read of in other scientific articles.

Now does it have to do with the subject? That depends on whether you believe that God communicates through nature. I don't necessarliy. I believe that there are natural laws that God knows and uses for his own purposes. The same laws that we are trying to learn ourselves. However what makes God God that he is not restricted by them, that when he commands "even the dust obeys". To me his omnipotence means that he can do anything he wants. If we want to know how he communicates you just have to read scripture. He speaks in a still small voice to our soul. He sends visions and dreams. He even appears in person to his prophets at times. To limit how he can communicate is to deny that he is God.

*rematche* · Oct 09, 2007, 04:06 AM

i look at things in a different perspective when it comes to god. people has different version of god, the religious and the scientific. religion is why? science is how? but one can't stand alone without the other and the irony is that these two sperates each other because of insecurity. the language? the things that you see,feel,taste,hear, and smell. and even you, you got god's words written all around you.
even if you look existance generally in logic. how can existance itself can exist without being existed in the first place? to exist, it needs a creator that can able maintain it's existance. to me that's what the language of god is.

Lupas · Oct 10, 2007, 02:32 PM

one doesn't need scripture, thats only a teaching tool developed our predisessors. man wrote the bible & all other religions not god. we r all lesser beings, if we don't grow we'll face extinction math is the only way 2 find god (kidda like where's Waldo) thats why i believe it's god's language
thanx again
hey toonfan i thought we

*Arrianna* · Oct 10, 2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupas

one doesn't need scripture, thats only a teaching tool developed our predisessors. man wrote the bible & all other religions not god. we r all lesser beings, if we don't grow we'll face extinction math is the only way 2 find god (kidda like where's Waldo) thats why i believe it's god's language
thanx again
hey toonfan i thought we

You don't actually know what the Bible is do you?

Not only is it a history it is a record of God's communications to the house of Israel and their progenitors. History & Communication. Sure you can learn from it but we take History classes in school for the same reason. Why is it the instant a historical document has religion in it all of a sudden it becomes valueless to those who don't understand it?

*Shodokan* · Oct 10, 2007, 05:29 PM

I'm not so sure of that list. Me and other people usually lie so we don't have to hear religious people bitch at us. One other thing there are people who go to church who don't believe in god. I'm pretty sure they would clam up about that.

Lupas · Oct 11, 2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrianna

You don't actually know what the Bible is do you?

Not only is it a history it is a record of God's communications to the house of Israel and their progenitors. History & Communication. Sure you can learn from it but we take History classes in school for the same reason. Why is it the instant a historical document has religion in it all of a sudden it becomes valueless to those who don't understand it?

the bible was writen by men it includes old & new testiments, as well as the book of revelations. if jesus was the biological son of god, WOULDN'T HE WRITE THE DAMN THING HIM SELF!

i'm quite sure he'd be smart enough. the classes u take in school incompass history W/ forensic evidence; do u dismiss the existance of dinosaurs, if not why aren't they in the history of god? cave paintings of prehistoric man? (sorry asking if u r dismissing those as well?) your bible(s) (i'm including all other religions here) don't clarify anything it's all left to interprutation, and we're going to let someone who molests childeren, cheats on their spouse w/ hookers, or flys jet into buildings packed w/ ppl, tell us how to worship

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ALL OF THIS HAS NOTHING 2 DO W/ THIS THEARD!!!

THE LANGUAGE OF god? (yes dark this was on purpose

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*Arrianna* · Oct 11, 2007, 01:57 PM

So we should ignore everything that the Egyptians recorded about themselves? We can't believe their history because they wrote it themselves? You are being both antagonistic and ridiculous.

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toonfan630 Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: PA Posts: 208 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 778	Re: The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) Ahem I'm no relegious Betty but, here is what I have chosen to think since I was a child. God can't speak to us. His language is of no verbal conception. Only those that are of spiritual being can hear what He says. I never read the Bible. But from what I've learned in church, God spoke to a few people. But no one else heard. Those people were only messengers there to tell others of what God told them. Now, the people that God spoke to were of very spiritual perspective and they were needed to do jobs for Him. So, I only assumed if God were to speak a language everyone understood, he could have just told everyone. I think he spoke to those selected mentally as in telepathiclly. I truly don't believe God talks at all to humans. __________________ "I may be drunk today Madame, just as you are ugly. Fortunately for you, I'll be sober in the morning and you'll still be ugly."
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Corvus Otaku Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 302 Thanks: 11 Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts Credits: 15,244	Re: The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) Ok so I could read everything in the post then try to make an answer that'd make sense to everyone but that takes time and I'm really lazy like that so I think I'll just stick to the original question with my answer. I'm not the most relegious of people or the smartest or greatest of scientits. But even I know that emotion the things that we feel pure thought (what so many people fail to accurately express) is how I would communicate with people If I was all powerful and all seing. Things would just be alot easier that way. So I imagine that God would work much along the same lines communicating his message through spiritual emotion and true thought. If we only take the time to listen. __________________ ... and join my rebellion against time. http://www.animefever.org/ref/ref.ph...animefever.org
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0n1-suka Newbie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Below heavens & Above hell Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 550	Re: The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) I havnt bothered to read the whole thread so I have no idea if this has been mentioned before In the old testament there's a story about a king named Babel , neways , the story goes aproximatly as fallowed , babel was a powerfull king that ruled on a great deal of land , but he wanted to be respected as a god so he ordered his subjects to make him the biggest tower ever seen , tall enough so it could reach heavens. since at the time all humans spoke the same language regardless of where you were from , king Babel had alot of subjects. before reaching the clouds God suposovly destroyed the tower and cursed humans for tryna reach Eden , creating difrent language on earth so even if we were all humans , we couldn't communicate together. I'm not sure what the language before Babel was . proly jewish Edit: i found a wiki on the tower of babel , its quite interesting if you dont already know the story Link to wiki Edit2: i read through the thread and noticed people saying that modern science kinda disproves the existence of God , I just wanted to point out that most of the major scientific breakthrough during the past 2000 years are due to the kabbalah , a 15 page doccument written by a rabbi that was visited by a fallen angel who told him to write the kabbalah. Isak Nueton , Albert Einstein , Robert Oppenheimer (guy who created the first H-bomb) and countless other great mind were all renowned kabbalists , it is said and proven that evrything these ppl discovered was already written in the kabbalah wich is the most ancient of all wisdoms , it goes back to the time of Abram the patriarch in the 18th century BC. some 3800 years ago . Some of you will say " well how can so much knowlege be stuffed into a 15 page book barely bigger then your average magazine" ,it is said that the kabbalah was written in codes , to this day the greatest minds and scientists of our generation are still studying the kabbalah scriptures. __________________ Above heavens , below heavens . Only I exist , unique and absolute Last edited by 0n1-suka; Oct 08, 2007 at 12:59 PM.
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rematche Grammaton Cleric Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts Credits: 20,527	Re: The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) i look at things in a different perspective when it comes to god. people has different version of god, the religious and the scientific. religion is why? science is how? but one can't stand alone without the other and the irony is that these two sperates each other because of insecurity. the language? the things that you see,feel,taste,hear, and smell. and even you, you got god's words written all around you. even if you look existance generally in logic. how can existance itself can exist without being existed in the first place? to exist, it needs a creator that can able maintain it's existance. to me that's what the language of god is. __________________ Last edited by rematche; Oct 09, 2007 at 04:19 AM.
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Shodokan Devoted Otaku Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 959 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 2,330	Re: The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) I'm not so sure of that list. Me and other people usually lie so we don't have to hear religious people bitch at us. One other thing there are people who go to church who don't believe in god. I'm pretty sure they would clam up about that. __________________ ____________________________________________
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