The Language of GOD? (please explain why u believe this) - Page 4

*atomik_sprout* · Oct 12, 2007, 03:13 PM

The bible was written by man, yes. But it wasn't created by man. It's more like dictation. The old testament is a historical document which traces the origins of Judiasm, Muslim and Christian beliefs. It is also a "law book" of sorts. The new testament documents the trials and tribulations of Jesus Christ and his disciples. Revelation being written by Paul, if I'm not mistaken, is a prediction of what is to become of man when the end arrives.

Mind you, I haven't practiced the Christian faith in over ten years, but I know what I'm saying here. And, what I'm saying is that Arrianna has a point. Just because there's some religion in there doesn't mean that it has to be treated like garbage. It covers the history of several nations. If it weren't for the bible and other religious documents, we'd have no clue what happened before Christ (BC). Nor would we have any insight to what ancient Egypt, Isreal, Rome and Greece were like. And it is not the only way that God speaks to people either. In fact it's more like a textbook than it is God's language.

ILikeApples5520 · Oct 12, 2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atomik_sprout

The bible was written by man, yes. But it wasn't created by man. It's more like dictation. The old testament is a historical document which traces the origins of Judiasm, Muslim and Christian beliefs. It is also a "law book" of sorts. The new testament documents the trials and tribulations of Jesus Christ and his disciples. Revelation being written by Paul, if I'm not mistaken, is a prediction of what is to become of man when the end arrives.

Mind you, I haven't practiced the Christian faith in over ten years, but I know what I'm saying here. And, what I'm saying is that Arrianna has a point. Just because there's some religion in there doesn't mean that it has to be treated like garbage. It covers the history of several nations. If it weren't for the bible and other religious documents, we'd have no clue what happened before Christ (BC). Nor would we have any insight to what ancient Egypt, Isreal, Rome and Greece were like. And it is not the only way that God speaks to people either. In fact it's more like a textbook than it is God's language.

Though I agreed w/ your points about the importance of the Bible, it was definitely not dictated. Every word in the Bible was written and thought up by man. God, through the Holy Spirit, only made sure that it was religious truth.This is called Divine Inspiration.That is why there are some errors about basic non-religious stuff, like "The Earth is the center of the universe." And about Revelation, most of it is symbolic. It had to do with how the world would end, but a giant demon monster wouldn't actually come out of the ground and try to kill us all.

When one is reading the Bible, one must not take it literally.

There's nothing that pisses me off more(not calling anyone this) than a strict, conservative, Evangelist, Bible fundamentalist.

Well, being a Catholic, I guess my view of fundamentalism isn't exactly unbiased.

Lupas · Oct 13, 2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by atomik_sprout

The bible was written by man, yes. But it wasn't created by man. It's more like dictation. The old testament is a historical document which traces the origins of Judiasm, Muslim and Christian beliefs. It is also a "law book" of sorts. The new testament documents the trials and tribulations of Jesus Christ and his disciples. Revelation being written by Paul, if I'm not mistaken, is a prediction of what is to become of man when the end arrives.

Mind you, I haven't practiced the Christian faith in over ten years, but I know what I'm saying here. And, what I'm saying is that Arrianna has a point. Just because there's some religion in there doesn't mean that it has to be treated like garbage. It covers the history of several nations. If it weren't for the bible and other religious documents, we'd have no clue what happened before Christ (BC). Nor would we have any insight to what ancient Egypt, Isreal, Rome and Greece were like. And it is not the only way that God speaks to people either. In fact it's more like a textbook than it is God's language.

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So we should ignore everything that the Egyptians recorded about themselves? We can't believe their history because they wrote it themselves? You are being both antagonistic and ridiculous.

well atomik seeing that u believe god speaks in signs, doesn't it deppend on the one recieve said signs? also why would jesus write his own documentation?, although i've heard he did & no one's aloud 2 see it. egypt, rome, greece, isreal, & summeria left more than religious artifacts behind, they left writen language, potery, even tax records, right? ancient humans left cave paintings, dinosuars left bones, evidence.
arrianna we don't ignore anything just take it w/ a grain of salt, 1 needs to ALWAYS be objective. have u ever read the koran ( i know i spelled that wrong) if not why? god, allah, and any other name u can think of 2 discribe the same entity, how is it telling us what 2 believe, signs (laws of probabilty), mental com., mathmatically (physics)? this is the question i was asking, but i do have 1 more what about dinosuars, they exisited right? why no mention of them in your bible?
PLEASE stick to the topic!!

thanx 2 everyone for contributing

sasukesgirl · Oct 13, 2007, 01:38 PM

hmm yea pretty much what everyone is sayng ^^ God speaks all languages

Lupas · Oct 13, 2007, 01:47 PM

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hmm yea pretty much what everyone is sayng ^^ God speaks all languages

all languages can be substituted by mathmatics every intelligent species in the universe can comunicate w/ math, we do love to assume we're the only 1's in the universe

*Arrianna* · Oct 14, 2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lupas

arrianna we don't ignore anything just take it w/ a grain of salt, 1 needs to ALWAYS be objective.

You may take it with a grain but the person I was responding to was discarding it outright. I can certainly understand some concern about accuracy, as accurate as it may have been when written originally, it is perfectly understandable that some errors may creep in over years of recopying. Also there are many things that can be easily misunderstood if you haven't also studied the cultural context, it was written for the people that lived at the time after all. Still when records from around the time of Christ have been compared with the current ones it is amazing just how close it actually is. You may have your own suspicion about a reason for that. As is I understand that the German translation is the closest to the untranslated records.

Point is when learning about God what better source then records of people that communicated with him?

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but i do have 1 more what about dinosuars, they exisited right? why no mention of them in your bible?

There is as a matter of fact. Previous to 1841 they were called dragons. You may thank Sir Richard Owen for giving them a new scientific name. Sorry it is so unromantic.

toonfan630 · Oct 14, 2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lupas

one doesn't need scripture, thats only a teaching tool developed our predisessors. man wrote the bible & all other religions not god. we r all lesser beings, if we don't grow we'll face extinction math is the only way 2 find god (kidda like where's Waldo) thats why i believe it's god's language
thanx again
hey toonfan i thought we

We what? Is it you thought I wasn't going to post here? Well, I wasn't but I just wanted to tell people that I don't think God talks to us, that's all.

Lupas · Oct 15, 2007, 09:29 AM

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We what? Is it you thought I wasn't going to post here? Well, I wasn't but I just wanted to tell people that I don't think God talks to us, that's all.

TF i'm sorry ididn't notice that i didn't finish that post, in closing "i thought we were going to debate, u r fun yo argue with.

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Originally Posted by Arrianna

You may take it with a grain but the person I was responding to was discarding it outright. I can certainly understand some concern about accuracy, as accurate as it may have been when written originally, it is perfectly understandable that some errors may creep in over years of recopying. Also there are many things that can be easily misunderstood if you haven't also studied the cultural context, it was written for the people that lived at the time after all. Still when records from around the time of Christ have been compared with the current ones it is amazing just how close it actually is. You may have your own suspicion about a reason for that. As is I understand that the German translation is the closest to the untranslated records.

Point is when learning about God what better source then records of people that communicated with him?
that was me i believe, and i don't disregaurd god i just disagree w/ religions' view points.
There is as a matter of fact. Previous to 1841 they were called dragons. You may thank Sir Richard Owen for giving them a new scientific name. Sorry it is so unromantic.

agreed although i don't recall tham in religious text. i'll have to check on that.

*Arrianna* · Oct 15, 2007, 03:47 PM

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agreed although i don't recall tham in religious text. i'll have to check on that.

Lets see.... Dragons... there is several references in Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and of course Revelations with several more scattered throughout.

Talking about language, good luck with the ones in Revelations, there's symbolism at it's best there. Gods way to obscure the obvious to those who don't actually take the time to study it's meaning.

*LichGRIFFIN* · Oct 15, 2007, 11:27 PM

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I believe that there was a time when everybody spoke the language of God, but then they messed it up (ref. Tower of Babel) and God gave us all different tongues and different lands.

God speaks to people all the time, but we don't always understand. For example, one of my favourite jokes:

There was a mighty flood happening. A very righteous man prayed, "God, help me. The water is rising!"

His neighbours pounded on the door, "Come with us! We have a car! We can save you!"

The man replied, "No! I'm waiting for God."

They left. The water flooded the bottom story of his house; he retreated upstairs.

Again, the man prayed, "God, help me. The water is rising!"

A rescue team in a boat knocked on the window, "Come with us! We have a boat! We can save you!"

The man replied, "No! I'm waiting for God."

They left. The water flooded the second floor; he retreated to his roof.

Again, the man prayed, "God, help me. The water is rising!"

A rescue team in a helicopter hover by, "Come with us! We have a helicopter! We can save you!"

The man replied, "No! I'm waiting for God."

The man drowned. When he went to Heaven, he went to God and said, "What happened?!?! I waited for you! Why didn't you save me?!"

God crossed his arms, "I sent you a car, a boat, and a helicopter! What more do you want?!"

~~~~~~~

You see, God speaks to us in more subtle ways than our patriarchal ancestors.

i totally agree with you infact if you haven't mentioned the story earlier i would have done that ... it is true afterall God speaks whatever language he wants to speak so people would understand ... i haven't said something new but i said this to just clear point

Lupas · Oct 16, 2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Arrianna

Lets see.... Dragons... there is several references in Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and of course Revelations with several more scattered throughout.

Talking about language, good luck with the ones in Revelations, there's symbolism at it's best there. Gods way to obscure the obvious to those who don't actually take the time to study it's meaning.

dragons within those verses refer to a ppl or place not dinosaurs, mostly to romans & egyptians. in ancient chinesse mythology dragons do represent dinosaurs, most of their beliefs still encompass them, even social stucture

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