Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair?

*Ochi Gate* · Mar 12, 2008, 09:19 AM

a woman may be allowed to join the military these days, but is it fair to the male soldiers for them to have to meet higher physical standards? in every sevice besides the Marine corps, a Female hoping to enter the branch will have to complete less training and such then men do. the Marines have been criticized for not lowering their standards.

what i ask of you, Anime Online, is this- is it morally right to have different qualifications for different people? would not the best force be created by having the same standards for anyone entering the force, male or female? i think so, what about you?

Billum256 · Mar 12, 2008, 09:24 AM

I myself don't like the military but I do respect the ones who are truley trying to protect us. Well I think that it wrong to lower th standards. If your going to protect our country you need to be the best of the best. Hence the commercials you see.

Scourge · Mar 12, 2008, 09:46 AM

I for one like and have a high respect for our military. I do not believe it to be wise to lower the standards for others, Females in this case, to have a lower qualification to alow them into the armed forces, simply because war is not going to make it easier for you just because your Female. The battle is not going to bring it down a notch, its only going to get worse. If you dont have the propper training, the level of skill involved, your chances of winding up dead greatly increases.

*atomik_sprout* · Mar 12, 2008, 11:08 AM

When I first started basic training for the Army and found out that women get to run their two-mile in far more time and do far less push/sit-ups, I thought it was completely unfair. But then you watch these girls excersise with you and--no offense ladies--unless their hardcore atheletes, they're not gonna be able to "compete" on an equal playing field with the guys. I DID however get to see those rare gems. The women who can run two miles in twelve minutes and do about 100 push ups in two minutes.

It's just a matter of your physical capabilities, really. I personally think that when you take your physical to enlist in the military, they should document those kinds of facts, so they know exactly what to expect from you when you get there.

Chosunguy86 · Mar 12, 2008, 12:22 PM

I agree with Scourge. I think it's absolutely ludicrious that we have to lower the standards for women... War isn't going to set seperate rules for women and men. It will never differentiate the two. Men and women are both going to face the exact same situations and conditions so why make it easier for the women?

Hassun · Mar 12, 2008, 02:37 PM

It depends. Do the women get the same kind of tasks in the military as men? And of the same intensity? If they do then the requirements should be the same. If they don't then they shouldn't.

**LenMiyata** · Mar 12, 2008, 02:52 PM

Grumble Grumble Grumble

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hassun

It depends. Do the women get the same kind of tasks in the military as men? And of the same intensity? If they do then the requirements should be the same. If they don't then they shouldn't.

Currently, US Army regulations do not permit women to serve in front line combat duty. However, this distinction is a moot point, as in the time of war, (and has been demonstrated in the Iraq occupation), as there is nothing to prevent the enemy from attacking supply convoys, or staging commando raids behind the well defined front lines.

The other thing to consider is that are the requirements absolutely essential for combat duty, or do they serve as a 'glass ceiling' to prevent women from advancing in rank for the limited Army officer leadership positions.

P.R. Princess · Mar 12, 2008, 03:04 PM

i say its unfair. and me i love my military i am a navy brat. so yea.

Like everyone keeps saying war is not going to go down a notch.
and if you want to best women to be in the military then they
need to be pushed just as hard as the men do.

and yes sometimes your body is different but it doesn't mean that it should be split down between men and women.
some men cant do the same things as other men and the same is for women. it just depends.

so no they shouldn't have different workouts for women than men.

Hassun · Mar 12, 2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LenMiyata

Grumble Grumble Grumble

Currently, US Army regulations do not permit women to serve in front line combat duty. However, this distinction is a moot point, as in the time of war, (and has been demonstrated in the Iraq occupation), as there is nothing to prevent the enemy from attacking supply convoys, or staging commando raids behind the well defined front lines.

The other thing to consider is that are the requirements absolutely essential for combat duty, or do they serve as a 'glass ceiling' to prevent women from advancing in rank for the limited Army officer leadership positions.

I was more inclined to think the different military standards were physical in nature. As in endurance, physical strength, etc. As this is the area where women just can't compete with men.

*Arrianna* · Mar 12, 2008, 03:36 PM

If those standards are for combat readiness reasons they should absolutely not be lowered and from what I have read they were based on just that. I have no problem with lower standard for support services as long as those services never go anywhere near the lines (as Len mentioned even supply caravans can be hit). However, in reverse I think that if a woman, one of "those rare gems" can meet the higher standards that men do there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed the same combat opportunities. Any chance we can get them all together in the same unit? Let the jihadist beware! We have m4l> 4m42()n5 on our side!

basilisk888 · Mar 12, 2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrianna

If those standards are for combat readiness reasons they should absolutely not be lowered and from what I have read they were based on just that. I have no problem with lower standard for support services as long as those services never go anywhere near the lines (as Len mentioned even supply caravans can be hit). However, in reverse I think that if a woman, one of "those rare gems" can meet the higher standards that men do there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed the same combat opportunities. Any chance we can get them all together in the same unit? Let the jihadist beware! We have m4l> 4m42()n5 on our side!

well that is true but it is also true that in the way of genetics (no offence to any females) that men do have a better stamina and things like that. So it is true that women should not have to do more.
It is also true that the "standerds" of the human today is very... poor...
It might be usefull to "lower the bar" as some might say but it is also true that some people should work harder than others to be prepared for war.

Mar 12, 2008, 09:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ochi Gate Level 99 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,666 Thanks: 7 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts Credits: 76,720	Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? a woman may be allowed to join the military these days, but is it fair to the male soldiers for them to have to meet higher physical standards? in every sevice besides the Marine corps, a Female hoping to enter the branch will have to complete less training and such then men do. the Marines have been criticized for not lowering their standards. what i ask of you, Anime Online, is this- is it morally right to have different qualifications for different people? would not the best force be created by having the same standards for anyone entering the force, male or female? i think so, what about you? __________________ Yami wo hiraku eikou to hikikae ni Mamoru beki mono wo ushinatte kita
Status: Offline

Mar 12, 2008, 09:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
Billum256 Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Middle of Nowhere Posts: 357 Thanks: 4 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts Credits: 9,926	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? I myself don't like the military but I do respect the ones who are truley trying to protect us. Well I think that it wrong to lower th standards. If your going to protect our country you need to be the best of the best. Hence the commercials you see. __________________ 98% of AO members are yaoi or lollicon fans. If you are part of the 2% that are not, copy and paste this into your sig Sig By Me "We're all sinners in the hands of the loving God"
Status: Offline

Mar 12, 2008, 09:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
Scourge Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 375 Thanks: 62 Thanked 29 Times in 26 Posts Credits: 25,240	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? I for one like and have a high respect for our military. I do not believe it to be wise to lower the standards for others, Females in this case, to have a lower qualification to alow them into the armed forces, simply because war is not going to make it easier for you just because your Female. The battle is not going to bring it down a notch, its only going to get worse. If you dont have the propper training, the level of skill involved, your chances of winding up dead greatly increases.
Status: Offline

Mar 12, 2008, 11:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
atomik_sprout Ramen Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,028 Thanks: 43 Thanked 55 Times in 51 Posts Credits: 85,069	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? When I first started basic training for the Army and found out that women get to run their two-mile in far more time and do far less push/sit-ups, I thought it was completely unfair. But then you watch these girls excersise with you and--no offense ladies--unless their hardcore atheletes, they're not gonna be able to "compete" on an equal playing field with the guys. I DID however get to see those rare gems. The women who can run two miles in twelve minutes and do about 100 push ups in two minutes. It's just a matter of your physical capabilities, really. I personally think that when you take your physical to enlist in the military, they should document those kinds of facts, so they know exactly what to expect from you when you get there. __________________ Kickin' it like a soccer player!
Status: Offline

Mar 12, 2008, 12:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chosunguy86 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Credits: 914	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? I agree with Scourge. I think it's absolutely ludicrious that we have to lower the standards for women... War isn't going to set seperate rules for women and men. It will never differentiate the two. Men and women are both going to face the exact same situations and conditions so why make it easier for the women? __________________ ________________________________________ "Wise man say forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for a late pizza"
Status: Offline

Welcome to AnimeOnline.net, your personal Anime Community!	Anime Online Rulez!

Mar 12, 2008, 02:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hassun shittle Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Pretiacruento Posts: 6,997 Thanks: 0 Thanked 35 Times in 30 Posts Credits: 23,813	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? It depends. Do the women get the same kind of tasks in the military as men? And of the same intensity? If they do then the requirements should be the same. If they don't then they shouldn't. __________________ Gorecreeps inc.
Status: Offline

Mar 12, 2008, 03:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
P.R. Princess NalaMidnight Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 898 Thanks: 3 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts Credits: 14,091	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? i say its unfair. and me i love my military i am a navy brat. so yea. Like everyone keeps saying war is not going to go down a notch. and if you want to best women to be in the military then they need to be pushed just as hard as the men do. and yes sometimes your body is different but it doesn't mean that it should be split down between men and women. some men cant do the same things as other men and the same is for women. it just depends. so no they shouldn't have different workouts for women than men. __________________ ~GUNSLINGER~A7X=MIA~ ~ MYSPACE~AWESOME PLACE TO SAVE~ ~I give my heart and everything to my sailor~
Status: Offline

Mar 12, 2008, 03:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
Arrianna Lady Barronmore Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,012 Thanks: 8 Thanked 34 Times in 31 Posts Credits: 37,699	Re: Lowering Military Standards- Fair or Unfair? If those standards are for combat readiness reasons they should absolutely not be lowered and from what I have read they were based on just that. I have no problem with lower standard for support services as long as those services never go anywhere near the lines (as Len mentioned even supply caravans can be hit). However, in reverse I think that if a woman, one of "those rare gems" can meet the higher standards that men do there is no reason they shouldn't be allowed the same combat opportunities. Any chance we can get them all together in the same unit? Let the jihadist beware! We have m4l> 4m42()n5 on our side! __________________ l Stone Hold l Now We're Cooking! l
Status: Offline

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Totally unfair... (Avatar vs. The Boondocks)	atomik_sprout	Sensory Pleasures	25	Oct 29, 2007 08:57 AM
Lowering the tone	xxKirstiexx	Poems	4	Jul 17, 2007 05:18 AM
anime in the military	mechataku	Anime	12	Jun 13, 2007 09:15 AM
Japan's Military Might	Zippy the Wonder Penguin	Japanese Culture	15	Jun 16, 2006 08:50 PM
lowering the voting age	E-Yuki-chan04	The Vault	24	Jun 24, 2005 06:19 PM