i guess i wasn't clear, sorry. God exists, and man creats religion to understand, but religion is also a tool. it can be used to create order but it can also be abused. zerograv, ur talking bout elightenment that sweept across europe, which i good to understand. But remember there is a clear distiction between god and the church ( or any other religion) God is something greater in this world. religion is our reasoning. regardless, the topic is over mankind, which is doing better if u consider all that happened before.