Middle East Quagmire

*Ochi Gate* · Jul 23, 2007, 07:13 AM

Im Fed up with it. almost EVERY DAY you hear of people being kidded in iraq. keep in mind what we've been doing for monthe- if we caught an insurgent, we would take away their guns, scold them, and turn them loose. and this is now YEARS after "Mr. Bush" declared "Mission Accomplished" WTF? i think its time for a new plan of action.

im not saying we should Nuke the place, because there ARE a lot of innocent ppl there. i think we need to just leave. if the iraqi people are too spineless to defend their own government, then so be it. maybe they dont even WANT a democracy... and the insurgents arent fighting for anything, they just want to kill outsiders.

we either need to step out and let them "win", or step up to more violent mesures to anhialate them.

urlovelyassassin · Jul 23, 2007, 11:00 AM

i agree

on my behalf i think Bush just has too much pride

for our good and for his own

god i hate that man...

*Ochi Gate* · Jul 23, 2007, 05:10 PM

i honestly think he only did it to prove to his dad he could do it better. but he didnt.... the other bush killed less americans and gas cost less...

*Abu Dhabi* · Jul 23, 2007, 07:42 PM

mind you, it's also America's fault for putting Sadam Hussein in power in the first place (during the Cold War the US put him in power becuz he was good at keeping the Commies out... same with Fidel Castro, same why there's so many weapons available to the guerrilla armies in South America, and how Osama bin Laden and all them has so much weapons...)

fact is, we break it so we bought it... there's nothing we can do about. so if we leave them high and dry than i think that's a worse then starting the whole damn thing in the first place. it's not far to them that went ravaged their country and just get to leave becuz we don't want to play anymore...

does it suck? f*uck yes it sucks, but that's the man who was elected so that's the price we have to pay...

learn from it, don't make the same mistakes your parents did.

*Ochi Gate* · Jul 24, 2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Abu Dhabi

mind you, it's also America's fault for putting Sadam Hussein in power in the first place (during the Cold War the US put him in power becuz he was good at keeping the Commies out... same with Fidel Castro, same why there's so many weapons available to the guerrilla armies in South America, and how Osama bin Laden and all them has so much weapons...)

fact is, we break it so we bought it... there's nothing we can do about. so if we leave them high and dry than i think that's a worse then starting the whole damn thing in the first place. it's not far to them that went ravaged their country and just get to leave becuz we don't want to play anymore...

does it suck? f*uck yes it sucks, but that's the man who was elected so that's the price we have to pay...

learn from it, don't make the same mistakes your parents did.

good point, indeed we are sleeping in the bed we made, arent we?

Jepray · Jul 24, 2007, 05:24 PM

yeah i gotta admit it is a mess out there...i wonder how a people can tolerate the constant bombing...from their own people or even hostial neighbors...doesnt anyone there give a Sh*t about all the home made death and destruction.

yeah the coldwar...was one hell of a mess, and we helped alot of hostiles during that time. "the enemy of my enemy" thing...

i want our troops home or at least away from an active enemy's crosshairs. watching our generations version of Viet Nam is rather heart breaking, an enemy who has no face, the jungle is now a desert or sun baked city. enemy using civilians as human shields, the simple hell of it all. the news broadcasting every bloody detail live across the world... I am proud or our armed forces laying their lives on the sharp end, but our gov needs a reality check...if they insist on this gurrilla war at least equip them properly for this urban enviroment!...

*Ochi Gate* · Jul 25, 2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jepray

but our gov needs a reality check...if they insist on this gurrilla war at least equip them properly for this urban enviroment!...

YES this is true. we still kind of expect them to fight on our terms, when its their country and were the ones who started it. if they really wanted hussein out that badly, hire a friggin assasin to do the job. ther was no WMD, no nothing. all bush's propoganda.

Shodokan · Jul 25, 2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ochi Gate

Im Fed up with it. almost EVERY DAY you hear of people being kidded in iraq. keep in mind what we've been doing for monthe- if we caught an insurgent, we would take away their guns, scold them, and turn them loose. and this is now YEARS after "Mr. Bush" declared "Mission Accomplished" WTF? i think its time for a new plan of action.

They're just bullshitting people. After raping prisoners with a broom handle at that prison do you think they would honestly do what you just said? Personally I could care less. However if they ever draft me I'm shooting some U.S. Officers in the head.

*Ochi Gate* · Jul 25, 2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodokan

They're just bullshitting people. After raping prisoners with a broom handle at that prison do you think they would honestly do what you just said? Personally I could care less. However if they ever draft me I'm shooting some U.S. Officers in the head.

wow..... ill go out on a limb and say thats the most hardcore post here.if I get drafted, i would just rather have a gauge by my side... pwn a cuple guys.. back to reality, indeed we did piss them off by doing these things to the prisoners.

aceman67 · Jul 25, 2007, 03:25 PM

Moving to debate and discuss, as this issue can get pretty heated.

*Ochi Gate* · Jul 26, 2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by aceman67

Moving to debate and discuss, as this issue can get pretty heated.

and heated i hope it becomes. ppl need to get their heads outta the sand and wake up.

Jul 23, 2007, 07:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ochi Gate Level 99 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,675 Thanks: 7 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts Credits: 77,346	Middle East Quagmire Im Fed up with it. almost EVERY DAY you hear of people being kidded in iraq. keep in mind what we've been doing for monthe- if we caught an insurgent, we would take away their guns, scold them, and turn them loose. and this is now YEARS after "Mr. Bush" declared "Mission Accomplished" WTF? i think its time for a new plan of action. im not saying we should Nuke the place, because there ARE a lot of innocent ppl there. i think we need to just leave. if the iraqi people are too spineless to defend their own government, then so be it. maybe they dont even WANT a democracy... and the insurgents arent fighting for anything, they just want to kill outsiders. we either need to step out and let them "win", or step up to more violent mesures to anhialate them. __________________ Yami wo hiraku eikou to hikikae ni Mamoru beki mono wo ushinatte kita
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Ochi Gate Level 99 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,675 Thanks: 7 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts Credits: 77,346	Re: Middle East Quagmire i honestly think he only did it to prove to his dad he could do it better. but he didnt.... the other bush killed less americans and gas cost less... __________________ Yami wo hiraku eikou to hikikae ni Mamoru beki mono wo ushinatte kita
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Abu Dhabi Spoken for. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Neither here... nor there. Posts: 1,510 Thanks: 12 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts Credits: 6,821	Re: Middle East Quagmire mind you, it's also America's fault for putting Sadam Hussein in power in the first place (during the Cold War the US put him in power becuz he was good at keeping the Commies out... same with Fidel Castro, same why there's so many weapons available to the guerrilla armies in South America, and how Osama bin Laden and all them has so much weapons...) fact is, we break it so we bought it... there's nothing we can do about. so if we leave them high and dry than i think that's a worse then starting the whole damn thing in the first place. it's not far to them that went ravaged their country and just get to leave becuz we don't want to play anymore... does it suck? f*uck yes it sucks, but that's the man who was elected so that's the price we have to pay... learn from it, don't make the same mistakes your parents did. __________________ great day! . . .
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Jepray Diamond in the Rough Join Date: May 2007 Location: Torrance, Ca. Posts: 444 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Credits: 12,936	Re: Middle East Quagmire yeah i gotta admit it is a mess out there...i wonder how a people can tolerate the constant bombing...from their own people or even hostial neighbors...doesnt anyone there give a Sht about all the home made death and destruction. yeah the coldwar...was one hell of a mess, and we helped alot of hostiles during that time. "the enemy of my enemy" thing... i want our troops home or at least away from an active enemy's crosshairs. watching our generations version of Viet Nam is rather heart breaking, an enemy who has no face, the jungle is now a desert or sun baked city. enemy using civilians as human shields, the simple hell of it all. the news broadcasting every bloody detail live across the world... I am proud or our armed forces laying their lives on the sharp end, but our gov needs a reality check...if they insist on this gurrilla war at least equip them properly for this urban enviroment!... __________________ Don't Panic*
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