fireandice

I would have to with _gwenibe_ on this one. We don't need or even have to create a full human clone to reap the benifits of cloning. To clone for transplants and treatment, in lab envirments, I am all for. But to completely clone a full human, I am not. We would be messing with things that we shouldn't when it all came down. Mabey in a few decades I could see it being closer to a posibabilty. But as for now, no it's not a good idea.

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anime_being_god

Stem cell research is plenty enough, no making full clones is nessacry, with stem cell u can simply make an arm or a leg, whats the need to create a full person and then chop them up????

Besides creating people with scentific means is surely against God, and I dont really care if you believe in him or not.

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Billum256

Though i do belive in God I am under the impression that cloning isn't really that bad. If we bring a full body into existance then I believe that God would give it a soul making it a human being. I don't believe that our DNA really matters much to God. Also I fully back stem cell research it helps humanity so much. As long as we don't kill the babies, we have to only use the blood from the anbilical cord.

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Ochi Gate

right. and to spin da ish (which is an original name, btw) you dont have to grow a whole clone to grow an organ. thats the great thing about it, you could possibly even get the subject's DNA for the organ, so that the body wont reject it (dont hold me to that, im no bio engineer)

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_gwenibe_

Didn't dolly die prematurely? and I think a lot of other cloned things did too. There are still a lot of issues with cloning full humans. eg. If the DNA old, bodies not what implications does that have on the clone. Other than that, as a society I don't think we'll ever let it go ahead, Provide western countries remain a democracy that is.

Though it is one way, they are now researching to use adult cells, though it's in early days, apparently it's been successful. No need to 'kill' embryos ( though all they were, were balls of cells..)

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mellow maromi

I hope everyone realizes that an identical twin, is in fact a clone. A natural clone, but a clone nonetheless. The twins have seperate personalities. One isnt mistreated, or misused.

An artificial clone would be born, like any other human. It would be raised like any other human. It would develop its own personality, like any other human. Eventually, it will die, like any other human. There is nothing negative about it. The clone will still have a "soul", because if it doesnt, then neither does a twin. Involving religion in science is nonsense.

If you say it isnt natural, then heres my argument to that. Neither is medicine. Trying to create new chemicals and bacteria to fight diseases, would be, as you put it, "playing god".

Getting surgery to stop heart failure, or to remove fat, or to change your appearance, is as you say, "playing god".

So if you believe that genetic engineering, and cloning is "playing god", or "unnatural", dont ever take any kind of medical treatment ever again, or else you are a hypocrite.


Also, when people say human cloning can fight some diseases, or replace dead organs, they dont mean that scientists will clone humans, then harvest the human for organs. They mean they will clone the organs seperately.

It can be done you know. They already do it with skin. They take a few cells of live skin, put it in a petri dish with a special fluid in it. The cells will get the energy from the fluid, and divide, as if they were still on the body. Soon the petri dish will be filled with a layer of skin. The skin is then used to replace burnt skin in burn victims. That is cloning in its simplest form.

I support human cloning, stem cell research, and genetic engineering.

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overload

you say that the "Soul" is a God-class creation, right... who says that we have souls? for all we know is that we just exist... think about it.
as for the cloning of humans, why would we want to? yes sure there are the scientific sides and the medical sides to it, but what about the rest?
who says that the "Clone" does not have rights? all people, be it clones or not have the right to life...

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nexusolus

How can you say religion and science dont mix, and talk about souls and cloning at the same time? Also if hypotheticaly a clone didn't have a soul why wouldnt a twin? Twins are born naturally not made in a tube, laboratory or somthing like that.

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mellow maromi

Neither is a clone. You are misinformed.

Also, i put soul in quotation marks. I am talking in a Christian sense. To be honest, theres no evidence a soul really exists. Its a fact that your consiousness, your personality, your thinking processes, your mind, is all from your brain. A combination of memories and experiences, getting recalled, and remembered, and replayed inside your brain. That is a mind.

A soul.. What is a soul? Look. A clone would be no different then any other human, besides the fact that it wasnt created with an egg and sperm, which is irrelevant.

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