LichGRIFFIN

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mellow maromi

What makes us different then machines? Machines are constructions created by humans that exploit the laws of physics in order to make our lives easier. They dont think, they have no consciousness. They arent made out of organic matter. They dont grow, or reproduce, which means they arent alive. Thats how they are different then humans.

A soul is just what people thought back in the old days what our consciousness was. Now we know that our consciousness comes from out brain.

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atomik_sprout

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mellow maromi

A clone has to be born just like everyone else. They start as an infant, like a normal person. They live, experiance, and learn, like anyone else.

Living with your own clone would be like raising a child. Except this child will look more like you then your wife.

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Spin Da Ish

What i'm typicly trying to say is that the "reproductive method" of cloning would make a full human clone. meaning corrupt people would eventually want to harvest and create clones foir their own benefit like transplants.

BTW if you like this topic you should really read the book called the house of the scorpion by Nancy Farmer. its a really good book and i got me into this topic

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_gwenibe_

Why would anyone do that when it is more effective and cheaper to create just the single organ? corrupt person or not would not have to create a whole human just to do that. nor would they want to

A 'corrupt' person would have a lab and workers and a supply of organs (not whole humans) already made incase something did happen.

Technology is not headed in a way of whole human cloning, it seems that at the moment it is focused on stems cells and the cloning of single organs - not whole humans

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mellow maromi

Right. Why would they spend the money, and the time it takes for that clone to grow into the right age, to harvest a few organs? There would be laws against it. You dont harvest one twin for the other twin. Thats just stupid.

They would clone individual organs, which by my book isnt corrupt, isnt unjustified, isnt immoral. If thats immoral, then i guess life isnt important.

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Arrianna

Yep, they discovered that when you use replacement DNA (or whatever it is called) to make a clone of an already existing being (sheep, etc) the genes that change to indicate age don't turn off. As a result they may look 1 or 2 or whatever but their body believes it is actually the age they have lived plus the age of whatever the sample was taken from at that time. As a result they are suffering and dying from diseases based on their genetic age.

And hence dies the common sci-fi plotline of people creating clones of themselves so their brains can be transplanted and they can live forever.

It also makes the creation of an entire body to harvest the organs unfeasible as well. You would have to wait for the body to grow old enough to harvest and hope it doesn't die from the same problem you currently have. Instead they just want to use cells to repair the body or grow individual organs for replacement.

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mellow maromi

That is why they should be able to do more research with cloning, so that they may perfect it and eleminate this problem.

It doesnt die, it just gets delayed. Besides, thats not how it would happen.

You just keep ignoring it. Listen to me. The creation of an entire body to harvest the organs.. Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard. Why would they spend all the money to clone an entire person, then murder this clone, harvest its organs, and use the organs for replacements? They wouldnt. It would be EXACTLY the same as a mother having twins, and then killing one twin so that the other can get a kidney. Its just not going to happen. The clone would be seen as another human, as a little brother or sister, or a child. They wouldn't be harvested. Its unconstitutional...

They would, however, grow the individual organs, and use those for replacements. Which isnt unethical, or immoral.


The problem with the gene that causes aging, and how the clone ages faster, can be fixed. They turned off and on genes in flies that affected the flies long term memory.

They turned on and off genes in pigs that cause the heart of a pig to be encased in a coat of sugar.

They can damn well turn off the gene in humans that causes aging, just like it does naturally during fertilization. They just have to do more research.

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Arrianna

As long as they only clone organs there is no need to. It only happens when they try and clone an entire being.

lol I should hope not. That is however what the sci-fi plots have theorized as the next big moral debate. "Is it worth killing another life just to save your own. Would you be willing to pay that price so you can stay young forever?"

Really? See I thought this was my first post in this thread. Or are you so used to arguing with me that you never noticed that you just agreed with me while saying it was stupid?

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