Miroku4444

Well supposedly that wasn't true. They just didn't want them to be priest in the past.

Jesus was just brownish/blackish because that was just the body he was born into. To fit in with the people around him and appear as one of them. If he came to the ppl of some Asian country he'd look Asian.

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ketaro

I agree with you on that one, but still such believes is what make other people despite the Mormons.

I find it weird that when Jesus showed up to the Aztecs he looked European.

aceman67

Then I ask the question again: Does that make us evil?

No.

Now, are we good people?

Not a lot of people know this, but the LDS church is often the first to bring in and start relief efforts when disaster strikes. We were there for the Tsunami, and we were there for Katrina too.

My religion teaches that we should help our fellow man when they are in need. A vast majority of members volunteer in their various communities.

I also direct you to my church's Articles of Faith, Written by Joseph Smith, specifically, the 13th.

I take it you're referring to the Paintings of Jesus teaching to what look like Aztecs. Thats a Painting. When artists create art, they draw from what they know. And for one thing, we can only speculate what they looked like, since this was a couple thousand years ago, and their descendants were later wiped out by the Spanish.

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_gwenibe_

I respect them. But it's hard to respect them when their at your door trying to shove their views down your throat again and again and again. I respect a religion that doesn't go door to door telling people that their religion is good and that you should join it.

If people want to seek out a religion, they'll do it themselves. I could say that they are evil, for trying/attempting to put their views on others like that. But it's clear that they are not evil and that their attentions are for "good".

It's almost a statement saying 'I don't respect your beliefs so I'm coming to try and put mine onto yours'. Sure, if you say politely go away, I'm sure majority would, but the whole intent of going there and teaching people about their religion..isn't that saying something?

Sorry if I offended any one. And I know they have their reasons and beliefs behind it. And yes, I probably don't understand much about that religion, but I don't think that's the point behind this thread in the first place.

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tsurara

You've used the word "evil" in the thread title and have, in the process,questioned the morality/ethics of an entire chunk of people based only on their religious beliefs (religious beliefs that I'm assuming you know very little about firsthand).

I think ignorance is a heck of a lot more "evil" than ringing doorbells.

Wait, Jesus showed up to the Aztecs? How in Sam Hill did this happen? Seeing as the Aztecs knew NOTHING of Judeo-Christian religions until they were more or less wiped out by them.

The Aztecs believed that Cortez was THEIR messiah (Quetzcoatl) and they had no idea WHAT Queztcoatl would look like when he did arrive. But seeing a bunch of white guys with totally foreign clothes, weapons and goods on them and believing the area immediately around them to be the entireity of the known world: it would be pretty easy to confuse them for gods.

Islam may not knock on doors... but it does go on periodic rampages. Islam has grown in the world largely through agression. The expansion of Islam into Asia has left a path of destroyed temples and statues in it's wake. Islam forbids the worship of "idols", so it's followers have historically wiped out all traces of the former religions of those they conquer.

The radical islamic (islamist) movement that has grown rather powerful in Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and parts of Pakistan states that the Quran is literally true, to the word, and that the entire world must be unified under a single muslim religion and government. Anyone who denies the Quran, God or defies sharia (islamic law as set foth in the Quran) may (and often is) executed. Countries and cultures that are not islamic are vilified and targetted for criticism, violence, ridicule, boycotts, etc.

Thanks to sharia in Iran: women are still stoned to death for adultery, homosexuality is punishable by death (even if you are victim of a rape), and listening to or playing music can get you prison time.

This is hardly the whole of Islam... but the religion, in it's most common evangelical form: is FAR more aggressive than mormonism.

Islam is actually a lovely religion... if only people would stop taking it so dammned literally (and conveniently drawing a line through all of the parts that condemn violence and the death of innocents).

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Joe Mage

If u look at history, there were other religions that did far worse ta ppl than jus' "annoy" them by goin' door ta door. Many religions had converts "by the sword," meanin' that if some1 didn' covert they were killed. There are no records of "Mormons" ever doin' that, but there sure as h3ll records of other religions that did, includin' other "Christian" religions. How would eny1 like ta live durin' the Spainish Inquisition, where if u acted even jus' a little peculiar; u were burned at the stake? I hear some ppl complainin' 'bout how it's "annoyin'" ta have Mormons goin' door ta door, at least u have the option ta turn them away. U don' have ta listen ta them and as long as they r not violatin' ur rights, they have the right ta go door ta door if they wish. If u don' want them there, jus' politely ask them ta leave and ta never bother u again. There r far worse things ta complain 'bout that's happenin' in the world, even things that r beyond our control, I mean come on ppl.

So, r Mormons good or evil? No more, or less, than eny1 else. I don' think that goin' door ta door, speakin' wit ppl 'bout the Mormon religion, merits askin' such a ques. though. And if it does, Shodokan, then let me pose this ques. ta u, Does complainin' 'bout Mormons goin' door ta door make u good or evil?

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dude101

okay people lets just face facts.. Mormons are just simply bad sales men. and their approach of selling their religion is all wrong. knocking on doors doesn't work.

do door knocking sales men get many sales?.. i don't think so. and do we hate door salesmen?. well i for one do.. man so annoying wasting my time with something i'm (wait let me underline this) not interested in .

if Mormon where serious about getting more followers they should just head over to the school and get 'em while their young. hell that was most Christian's and catholics do. still remember the days at school, being force to listen to some ppl from church reading the bible. talking about Jesus and such, it was so boring. and man was i ever jealous of overseas kids.. the got to get out of it cause it was insulting or something about their religion, lucky so n so..

as for my understanding of Mormons, well i'll just say i know little to nothing about their religion, just like most of the others really, well that haven't been forced upon me. still remember how one of my christian friends tried to convert me, that didn't turn out so well. heck i even have a friend who is mormon. but one thing i do know is i'm pretty sure they don't believe in contraceptives cause Man he's got a Huge family. but hey, he's a great mate and his mum's cooking is to die for, in the mormon sense of course.

but i just want to ask one thing, for any of the Mormons on this forum. do most of you guys wear those vest things?. apparently i heard u meant to wear them all the time, can't remember why they are meant to be worn or was it something about being covered all the time.. but my memory is blurry about the matter.

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ketaro

I forget in which of the two existent manuscript left by them is this Jesus-like person depicted. There are also paintings dating back thousands of years before Cortez even came to the Americas portraying a person resembling Jesus. By this period of time a priest prophesied that this person would come back again ( it is not clear why he left the Aztec).That's why they mistook Cortez with this Jesus-like person.

Chiefblackhammer

First off, the whole are Mormons “Evil” is stupid. You can’t judge them as evil when you don’t personally know ALL of them. I say this because some said of them may be evil; religion has always had some crazy people who twist the doctrines of faith into what they want it to be and thus “give” religion a bad name. But frankly religious beliefs do not make you evil (unless you are following a small sect of cultic people whose beliefs are evil…but Mormons are not that sect).

I am in no way Mormon, nor do I believe in their “beliefs” however the idea that they are evil for ringing your door bell? Crap.

Also it isn’t just Mormons, all of the different denominations of Christianity do so as well, on top of the Jehovah Witnesses and Catholics. For the record I have no idea where simply knocking on a door or preaching an on street corner is “FORCING” religion on you. BS, forcing is if I stick a gun to your head and make you listen. When someone knocks on your door or hands out a flyer YOU CAN DECLINE and that will be the end of it…we call that a choice and a choice equals FREEDOM.

So please stop the “I don’t want religion forced on me” crap, don’t expect others to accommodate you just because you wear your feelings on your sleeve. Religion can truly change people’s lives and if that change is special to them, they will want to share it. If you don’t want to hear it then respectfully decline…they will respectfully leave you alone. What harm was done to you in that? And how bad or hard is it to be kind to them? Did they really take that much of your time up? REALLY?

Secondly, I disagree with a lot of the Mormon ideals, it is hard to talk about them given the only support they have is Articles of Faith which I don’t believe in at all. So therefore the only grounds we equally agree on is the KJV Bible.

Thus said it isn’t my goal to attack the integrity of their leaders or their faith so please don’t take my comments as such. I can have a civil conversation on the topic with trying to offend or being offended myself. It is merely how I see error in their doctrines and I will offer scripture as back up. I may quote 1verse but I read the chapter before hand and I AM NOT taking the verse out of context. Likewise I try to consider all views so I may state something as an answer to an argument I perceived. Given the length of this I will offer just 1 for now.

1) Polygamy is NOT right, ESPECIALLY in Biblical terms. Does the Bible state “thou shalt not”? NO. Does it have to? NO. God doesn’t always tell us everything, there are numerous things he showed us in principle, however he did TELL us how we are suppose to act when it comes to this issue, not only in word but by HIS actions.

How many wives did God make for Adam?

1 and only one.

What did God say a “man” is supposed to do in marriage…at the FIRST marriage between the TWO Human beings he created?

Genesis 2:24 KJV Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

How many is a wife? 1 …but Hammer that is OLD testament…ok I will play that game with you.

Lets see what JESUS said:
Mark 10:7 KJV For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Matthew 19:5 KJV And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

Hmmm…seemed nothing changed. BUT what about the people in the bible who had multiple wives? Like King David or King Solomon!? King David also had a man killed to cover up and affair he had with his wife…does that make those actions right? King Solomon worshiped idols because of his “extra” wives…SIN is sin and just because someone who was a predominate figure in the bible did it doesn’t mean it is right or that God condoned it, God allows those actions to show the problems they cause in their lives as an example of what NOT to do in ours. Nothing more.

So what foundation is there for Polygamy in Mormonism? For the furtherance of the church the leader of your churches which would equate to the biblical term “Bishop” can take many wives? That is confusing since Paul instructs Timothy about the running of a church in I Timothy?

1 Timothy 3:2 KJV A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12 KJV Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

If it is ok for your leader to take multiple wives then why does Paul instruct Timothy that the 2 highest positions in the church both require that they be the Husband of 1 wife?

The thing that your leader was told by “God” that it is ok for HIM to do it…is well...confusing…since that would be contrary to what the Bible actually teaches us about how God instituted marriage and how a leader in the church is suppose to be in marriage. God does not change and is not the author of confusion.

Just my 2 cents.

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GallComp

Not quite true Hammer. Eve was the second wife of Adam, the first wife was Lilith, but she was rebeld and wanted to be on top of adam (superior to him) and for that she was banished from the garden of eden, then god created Eve a companion that would respect man (adam) and will be humble to him... The rest is history...

Lilith

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atomik_sprout

First, let me start by saying that "evil" is a strong word. I wouldn't say they're evil. Hell, they're actually pretty nice.

But if it's just a matter of door to door activities, then the same question could be asked about Jehovah's Witnesses. ^_^

I don't think they're bad people. Y'know, to each thier own. Do I think thier beliefs are odd? Yes. The whole "we follow a 'prophet'" thing kinda urks me. Do I find the door knocking and bicycle stalking annoying? Yes. But that's just because I don't like strangers and can't trust one as far as my 140 lb. ass can throw one. LOL. But are they bad/evil? Naw. They're tryin' to spread word of a religion that actually brings hope to a good chunk of people.

I myself, wouldn't follow it, but y'know... That's thier decision to do what they do.

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