Thread: Mormons Are they Good Or Evil People?

okay people lets just face facts.. Mormons are just simply bad sales men. and their approach of selling their religion is all wrong. knocking on doors doesn't work.

do door knocking sales men get many sales?.. i don't think so. and do we hate door salesmen?. well i for one do.. man so annoying wasting my time with something i'm (wait let me underline this) not interested in .

if Mormon where serious about getting more followers they should just head over to the school and get 'em while their young. hell that was most Christian's and catholics do. still remember the days at school, being force to listen to some ppl from church reading the bible. talking about Jesus and such, it was so boring. and man was i ever jealous of overseas kids.. the got to get out of it cause it was insulting or something about their religion, lucky so n so..

as for my understanding of Mormons, well i'll just say i know little to nothing about their religion, just like most of the others really, well that haven't been forced upon me. still remember how one of my christian friends tried to convert me, that didn't turn out so well. heck i even have a friend who is mormon. but one thing i do know is i'm pretty sure they don't believe in contraceptives cause Man he's got a Huge family. but hey, he's a great mate and his mum's cooking is to die for, in the mormon sense of course.

but i just want to ask one thing, for any of the Mormons on this forum. do most of you guys wear those vest things?. apparently i heard u meant to wear them all the time, can't remember why they are meant to be worn or was it something about being covered all the time.. but my memory is blurry about the matter.

Originally Posted by tsurara

Wait, Jesus showed up to the Aztecs? How in Sam Hill did this happen? Seeing as the Aztecs knew NOTHING of Judeo-Christian religions until they were more or less wiped out by them.
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I forget in which of the two existent manuscript left by them is this Jesus-like person depicted. There are also paintings dating back thousands of years before Cortez even came to the Americas portraying a person resembling Jesus. By this period of time a priest prophesied that this person would come back again ( it is not clear why he left the Aztec).That's why they mistook Cortez with this Jesus-like person.

First off, the whole are Mormons “Evil” is stupid. You can’t judge them as evil when you don’t personally know ALL of them. I say this because some said of them may be evil; religion has always had some crazy people who twist the doctrines of faith into what they want it to be and thus “give” religion a bad name. But frankly religious beliefs do not make you evil (unless you are following a small sect of cultic people whose beliefs are evil…but Mormons are not that sect).

I am in no way Mormon, nor do I believe in their “beliefs” however the idea that they are evil for ringing your door bell? Crap.

Also it isn’t just Mormons, all of the different denominations of Christianity do so as well, on top of the Jehovah Witnesses and Catholics. For the record I have no idea where simply knocking on a door or preaching an on street corner is “FORCING” religion on you. BS, forcing is if I stick a gun to your head and make you listen. When someone knocks on your door or hands out a flyer YOU CAN DECLINE and that will be the end of it…we call that a choice and a choice equals FREEDOM.

So please stop the “I don’t want religion forced on me” crap, don’t expect others to accommodate you just because you wear your feelings on your sleeve. Religion can truly change people’s lives and if that change is special to them, they will want to share it. If you don’t want to hear it then respectfully decline…they will respectfully leave you alone. What harm was done to you in that? And how bad or hard is it to be kind to them? Did they really take that much of your time up? REALLY?

Secondly, I disagree with a lot of the Mormon ideals, it is hard to talk about them given the only support they have is Articles of Faith which I don’t believe in at all. So therefore the only grounds we equally agree on is the KJV Bible.

Thus said it isn’t my goal to attack the integrity of their leaders or their faith so please don’t take my comments as such. I can have a civil conversation on the topic with trying to offend or being offended myself. It is merely how I see error in their doctrines and I will offer scripture as back up. I may quote 1verse but I read the chapter before hand and I AM NOT taking the verse out of context. Likewise I try to consider all views so I may state something as an answer to an argument I perceived. Given the length of this I will offer just 1 for now.

1) Polygamy is NOT right, ESPECIALLY in Biblical terms. Does the Bible state “thou shalt not”? NO. Does it have to? NO. God doesn’t always tell us everything, there are numerous things he showed us in principle, however he did TELL us how we are suppose to act when it comes to this issue, not only in word but by HIS actions.

How many wives did God make for Adam?

1 and only one.

What did God say a “man” is supposed to do in marriage…at the FIRST marriage between the TWO Human beings he created?

Genesis 2:24 KJV Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

How many is a wife? 1 …but Hammer that is OLD testament…ok I will play that game with you.

Lets see what JESUS said:
Mark 10:7 KJV For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Matthew 19:5 KJV And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh

Hmmm…seemed nothing changed. BUT what about the people in the bible who had multiple wives? Like King David or King Solomon!? King David also had a man killed to cover up and affair he had with his wife…does that make those actions right? King Solomon worshiped idols because of his “extra” wives…SIN is sin and just because someone who was a predominate figure in the bible did it doesn’t mean it is right or that God condoned it, God allows those actions to show the problems they cause in their lives as an example of what NOT to do in ours. Nothing more.

So what foundation is there for Polygamy in Mormonism? For the furtherance of the church the leader of your churches which would equate to the biblical term “Bishop” can take many wives? That is confusing since Paul instructs Timothy about the running of a church in I Timothy?

1 Timothy 3:2 KJV A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1 Timothy 3:12 KJV Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

If it is ok for your leader to take multiple wives then why does Paul instruct Timothy that the 2 highest positions in the church both require that they be the Husband of 1 wife?

The thing that your leader was told by “God” that it is ok for HIM to do it…is well...confusing…since that would be contrary to what the Bible actually teaches us about how God instituted marriage and how a leader in the church is suppose to be in marriage. God does not change and is not the author of confusion.

Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by chiefblackhammer

How many wives did God make for Adam?

1 and only one.

What did God say a “man” is supposed to do in marriage…at the FIRST marriage between the TWO Human beings he created?

Genesis 2:24 KJV Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

How many is a wife? 1 …but Hammer that is OLD testament…ok I will play that game with you.

Not quite true Hammer. Eve was the second wife of Adam, the first wife was Lilith, but she was rebeld and wanted to be on top of adam (superior to him) and for that she was banished from the garden of eden, then god created Eve a companion that would respect man (adam) and will be humble to him... The rest is history...

Lilith

Originally Posted by Shodokan

First of all I want this thread to be as civil as possible. I know it's hard considering the subject but please try. You know mormons go door to door ringing people's door bell trying to convert people. Most people I talk to think mormons are just "pest." Their religion says they're doing a good thing but the rest of the population thinks they're annoying for ringing people's door bells. I'm wondering about your guys opinion on the matter.

First, let me start by saying that "evil" is a strong word. I wouldn't say they're evil. Hell, they're actually pretty nice.

But if it's just a matter of door to door activities, then the same question could be asked about Jehovah's Witnesses. ^_^

I don't think they're bad people. Y'know, to each thier own. Do I think thier beliefs are odd? Yes. The whole "we follow a 'prophet'" thing kinda urks me. Do I find the door knocking and bicycle stalking annoying? Yes. But that's just because I don't like strangers and can't trust one as far as my 140 lb. ass can throw one. LOL. But are they bad/evil? Naw. They're tryin' to spread word of a religion that actually brings hope to a good chunk of people.

I myself, wouldn't follow it, but y'know... That's thier decision to do what they do.

Originally Posted by GallComp

Not quite true Hammer. Eve was the second wife of Adam, the first wife was Lilith, but she was rebeld and wanted to be on top of adam (superior to him) and for that she was banished from the garden of eden, then god created Eve a companion that would respect man (adam) and will be humble to him... The rest is history...

Lilith

That's not really true though. It's biblical apocrypha. Although the Dead Sea scrolls seem to mention her.

Originally Posted by GallComp

Not quite true Hammer. Eve was the second wife of Adam, the first wife was Lilith, but she was rebeld and wanted to be on top of adam (superior to him) and for that she was banished from the garden of eden, then god created Eve a companion that would respect man (adam) and will be humble to him... The rest is history...

Lilith

Nope, I am very much right, I used only Bible to refer to Bible concepts. You see what you said, while interesting, has a large flaw in that Lilith is not mentioned in the Bible…anywhere The Lilith lore (that she was Adam's first wife) was a Babylonian rouse to trash the Judean faith while the Jews were under their occupation. Like most conquering cultures they take the negative aspects of their culture and place them into the captives in an effort to demolish their faith, I mean you don’t think they just happened to use a creature commonly referred to as a demon do you?

Now to rehash that, Lilith is a mythological reference to folklore of the Mesopotamian people (Gilgamesh anyone?) and more explicitly as it relates to the Jews, the Babylonian Empire folklore.

I prefer to keep Biblical matters separate than those of Middle Eastern mythology. Lilith being a Babylonian myth, as stated earlier, only carries merit within Judaism by the fact that Babylon conquered the Assyrian empire which had previously conquered the Jews.

Much like the numerous times the Jews were occupied or living in others land, they adapted parts of the local lore in their culture but NEVER in their faith. Thus the folklore of a mythical beast named Lilith carried on in Jewish folklore but was never incorporated into any element of their actual faith much like all the rest of the lore they were exposed to over their history.

The only real argument for a reference in the bible to the myth is actually referring to the destruction of Babylon in the book of Isaiah chapter 34. The KJV verse 14 translates the passage as a “screech owl” but if you read the entire chapter you can see that the KJV translators used a lot of colorful discriptions to describe the fall of Babylon including references to owls, dragons, etc…This passage was merely meant to show the Jew’s God would over through the mythical creatures of all other relgions including those of Babylon (Might I add Babylon is also mention in line with the great whore and the serpent in Revelation).

You can also argue the Dead Sea Scroll references to Lilith but they are a bunch of “songs” (Lilith is mention in the Song for a Sage) with no established writer and just happen to be full of mythical references to lore of old. Thus they have no more merit on actual happenings within the Jewish history than if I were to liken them to modern times…say “puff the magic dragon” anyone?