It has already been proven the Big Bang did occur (microwave radiation evenly spread about the universe, as well as Edwin Hubble's observations of the expanding universe), though the action which initiated it is still in question.
To compare religion to science is, for lack of a better word, blasphemy. The only commonality with science and religion is that they both start with two strings of information: what is known, and what is unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubz
Science has a valid approach of determining the unknown through the use of known facts. Religion does not. Instead, religion involves making assumptions with no means to prove said assumptions. Can you honestly point to something OTHER than rhetoric to give you an answer for how the Earth, or the universe, for that matter, were created? What about souls? How can you define their existence, or even test their existence? How about evolution? There's plenty of evidence to support the fact of evolution, but all evidence to support the Old Testament fails (even Noah's Ark has been discovered to be an ancient Sumerian story related to a barge/ferry operator that was carrying a small quantity of livestock during a flash flood, not as the Biblical account records it).
That is not what I said. I have stated that INTELLIGENCE drives men to follow laws. Laws are the constructs of men, from the basic morality we derive from not wanting to be treated a certain way, to the laws we develop to support the government we have constructed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chubz
When intelligence is lacking, an individual can only be controlled by an external force, a source of retribution for not behaving to the code they cannot comprehend or choose not to follow. Law enforcement has been that tool to an extent, but in places where no law is available, religion has been the primary tool.
It is also the tool in ensuring the survival of its followers, hence the practice of only eating kosher meats (meats that would not spoil in poor storage conditions in desert environments, or from animals who contract disease that passes easily from one species to another-such as H5N1).
Notice these laws were not truly derived from God's will, but simply the observation of the priests which WROTE God's law, practicing a crude form of the scientific method.
I did not say that religion governs itself. However, I am referring to religion as an individual entity because it is-the concept of religion is a separate, unique idea that is unrelated to anything man has ever created before. You cannot link religion to explain effectively how a Ford Mustang's 351 Cleveland engine produces torque, nor can you use religion to explain why the seasons change (not anymore, at least, since only a small percentage of the Earth's population don't believe the Earth revolves around the sun on an uneven axis).
The scientific method, however, can be tied into everything, and in fact, is simply a way to express the inherent rational processes of the human mind as a separate entity, or an alias if you will.
Or in other words, you sir worship science.
Religion doesn't have a valid approach?Jeez Toecutter,you remind me of my science teacher at school.Do you think really that science explains everything that mankind does not know?No.Not entirely.If you read in the some books,religion was the first thing that was dominate to describing the infinite mysteries until science prevailed in about the 1400s to 1500s which made early religious beliefs false in many ways showing that religions has its flaws.Then you should conclude that science,despite overwhelming evidence which provides humans with vast knowledge of this universe has flaws as well.Also it talks mainly and perhaps only of the physical aspect of Earth.Religions talks of the "spiritual" aspect and an educated person like you should know that there are many people that values that aspect.By believing in a religion,it helps these people to follow the laws and morals of society to become better people.Toecutter,I respect your opinion though and find it quite fascinating.
for those without a religion, i would like to see their faces on their death bed. u know, it'll be like a drowning man clutching for a straw!
Well, it all depends.
It is my belief that if all religions were to be removed from this world, that what is known as anarchy would occur.
I would however like to see all religions aside from what I believe removed from the world... but that can't happen. (I'd label what I believe, but any label I give it won't work... even describing it would bring up the wrong idea in this situation.)
The thing is, so many people would like to just see Christianity removed from the world... and according to my beliefs, it'll one day happen. I won't be here to see it, since I'd be one of the ones removed for Christianity to be removed.
Now, there are several religions out there that believe it is their purpose to remove other religions via force. That doesn't work... all it does is prove that that religion doesn't think it is good enough to win over the ones it kills.
Now, as for being religious. I don't consider myself to be very religious.
If someone were to follow me around all day, they would probably start thinking I'm some nice guy or something. They wouldn't call me a fanatic or anything. However, I do occasionaly get preachy... but that is reserved for situations like this. Sorry about being preachy here, lol.
i can't imagine a world without religion, though there are unwanted things happening now on our environment which concerns about religion. how can a person measure morality without religion? religion teaches morality, the standards of being in the state of rightfullness. i think the real problem here is people who only think of theirselves and only wants power. god encourage us to do what is right but still he's so kind. it's still your choice if you want to follow right? IMO:p1: