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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Actually cuting Taxes is far better then raising them economicly because that means people have more money to spend and we American just love to spend.
    lol yes we do unfortunately. It can be a hard concept for some people to grasp though until you understand that money is a circular rather then a finite resource. The more it circulates the more taxes the government collects. Basic math, you get more if you collect $4 ten times then if you collect $7 five times, and the tax drop was hardly that large a percentage difference. That was why Bush cutting taxes and all those incentives to keep people spending kept everything afloat by the skin of our teeth after 9/11. It would have worked if it hadn't been for the financial policies set in place before then, those just compounded the problem. This crash isn't a surprise, economist have been warning about it for about 4 years now once they realized that government lending practices were resulting in an artificial bubble in property value etc.

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    Like you EMO, I don't blame Obama, or Bush for the problem even though it was getting out of hand under Bush's watch. Who I blame is Clinten and the people with him, and guess what, the people in Obamas cabnet and apointees are members all from the Clinten administration.
    Yes, Bush's one flaw as a president was his utter uninterest in curbing the Congress. He only vetoed bills on moral grounds and allowed anything else to pass through (until the last year of his presidency where he bashed them over the head with it to keep them from marginalizing him). Unchecked poor legislation from the Clinton presidency was allowed to compound first under the "me too Republicans" (the "we can spend just like Democrats but do it better", most of which have now been voted out of office by an upset constituency) and then under the National Democratic parties control, first through stratagem (convincing Independent Congresmen to vote with them by giving them positions and other "kickbacks" which gave them a slim majority) then by their own slim majority. This crises has been brewing for years and some in Congress did actually try to fix it but their bills never made it through as the majority liked the status quo with it's personal benefit to them and without veto's on other bills that increased the problems well... here we are.

    I have been watching the Congress carefully for years now, ever since 9/11. The fact is we have been in a crises in many areas for years but the Democrats had sufficient pull to stop anything beneficial from going through while a Republican was in the White House because they would rather the country suffer then they lose power by him getting credit for it, which the President always does even when he had nothing to do with it one way or the other. Compounded by utter incompetence in the National GOP members it was just a matter of time. So here we are, reaping the reward of a Congress that cares more about person power and profit then the people they are supposed to represent. If you doubt it just go read the list of ear marks in the spending bill they passed.

    ... and one of them just became our President... and the same people who helped create the problem in the first place are now advising him... yay us...

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Well I live down here and I should tell you, you would be suprise on some of the ways they get in here. digging tonels that streatch for miles. Hideing bags of _______ <- insert illegal subtance here, in there or animals lower intestine (Yes, up their ass) And the obviace big streatch of open land that is our border that they can easily sneek by to name a few, not to mention the miles of open coast line. There are hundreads of thousands of arests each year and hundreads of thousands of tons of illegal substances confiscated and Trillians of dollers of drug money caught being sent back to Mexico.

    Are there people in cohoots with the drug cartels in the US that help them get out of sticky situations, sure there are, how ever, you have to understand the area and I do and there are tones of way of sneeking in no matter how much you go after there people. Not to mention alowing illegals protection from the law and giving them more rights then legal and born Americans also doesnt help in the least. Not to mention our poloticions in Sacrimento are completely and total idiotic morons... And hey guess what, their Democrats.

    You can't blame and hold the US as a whole for what a very very very few people do. So again, how is it our fault? (If you don't live in Souther Cal, New Mexico, or Texas, don't even bother to try to answer this as I find most people DO NOT fully understand.)

    i live in LA too! and i know all (well, actually i don't know... but who would really want to?) the ins-and-outs people use to smuggle drugs into the US, but was speaking more of the political standing between the US and the drug-providing countries. like how the US provides guns to the militias in countries like Venezuela cuz they have American ideals, but that can go backwards in a lot of ways...

    but that's neither here nor there...

    totally agree with Arrianna, the president has no real power, those lie in the other two branches. it's all about checks and balances, and unfortunately they wrote to many checks and didn't keep an eye on the balance.

    strictly speaking economically, there's not much anyone can do at this point besides count pennies and having even more suspicious thoughts when listening to banks and wall streeters...

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    i live in LA too!
    but anyway, i'm completely backing out now because i feel utterly naive in all of this. but this is the last thing i have to say;

    THIS IS WHY OBAMA IS EVIL:



    NOOOO! he has the matrix!!!

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Why is everyone hating on Obama so bad?

    He hasnt even had the chance to move as a president before someone starts criticizing him, some of you have even called him the "Anti-Christ", dont forget, Bush is the one who F'd everything up, why is Obama taking the heat? He's doing his job as a President and we the people who put him in office need to back him up and fix this economic crisis.

    This problem wont be fixed in a snap of a finger, is that what you are expecting? I'd hope not, because Obama has his hands full on this one. And so would any other president. LET OBAMA DO HIS JOB, its MUCH to early to tell if he is a good president or not.

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Because Bush didn't "F'd everything up" Congress (and Clinton policies) did, he just didn't do anything to keep them from making it worse. Because Obama has made his move already and every single move he makes only makes things worse. It's not that hard to tell there is a problem when every time he opens his mouth to "fix" things the stock market drops instead. This isn't a case of wanting a solution that works with a snap of a finger. This is just some realism in a situation that Obama is exacerbating so badly the head of the EU came out and told him to cut it out. It is not even necessarily a case of hating Obama, it is simply being realistic about his policies and what they are doing and will do if allowed to continue.

    The socialist-liberal politicians have been wanting a chance to prove what they could do with our government. Well now they get to show us and it hasn't been pretty so far.

    BTW, if Congress had done their job there would be no need for the President to get involved then or now.

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    I think that he is a deciever but he is trying really hard to be a good president. I don't really have a problem with him exept for the fact that he wants America to be a communist country and that he won't release his birth certificate. That makes me wonder if he was born in the US, you know?
    I personally think that this election was dead because no one was really a good nomination. Hillary would be okay but if she was PMSing, then she would blow up some country. Obama is a deciever but works hard. Mccain is old and would've died and then we would have Palin and that would SUCK!!!!!!!!!! XD
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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    Because Bush didn't "F'd everything up" Congress (and Clinton policies) did, he just didn't do anything to keep them from making it worse. Because Obama has made his move already and every single move he makes only makes things worse. It's not that hard to tell there is a problem when every time he opens his mouth to "fix" things the stock market drops instead. This isn't a case of wanting a solution that works with a snap of a finger. This is just some realism in a situation that Obama is exacerbating so badly the head of the EU came out and told him to cut it out. It is not even necessarily a case of hating Obama, it is simply being realistic about his policies and what they are doing and will do if allowed to continue.

    The socialist-liberal politicians have been wanting a chance to prove what they could do with our government. Well now they get to show us and it hasn't been pretty so far.

    BTW, if Congress had done their job there would be no need for the President to get involved then or now.
    If his policies were so badly organized, and poorly put out, then why was he elected? Your country voted him in as President to do this job, and its not like right when he stepped in Office things went down, dont forget this is still Bush's War, and the economy has been in bad shape for the past 5 years. Just give the man some time, its not like you could do better.

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    If his policies were so badly organized, and poorly put out, then why was he elected? Your country voted him in as President to do this job, and its not like right when he stepped in Office things went down, dont forget this is still Bush's War, and the economy has been in bad shape for the past 5 years. Just give the man some time, its not like you could do better.
    He was elected because people didn't and still don't understand the situation completely of the economic issues nore do they understand basic buisness, Gov. and economics (as made clear from this thread and others like it). Also Obama is not Republican and everything he said he was going to do was the opposite of Bush, and sense beating on Bush is the new thing to do even if your car got scratched in a parkinglot in Alaska its Bush's fault. He is a younge black American with a Middle Eastern name, which apealed to the black community (Not saying people voted for him just on this but it sure was a factor) and because his name is Middle Eastern people thought those in the Middle East and other countries would like America more (How they came to that conclusion I don't get as the Middle East Countries are always attacking each other.) In short he was voted in for his carisma, as looking back on the election, every time a question came up about his polocies and the "change" he was going to bring and how that would be brought about he elequantly danced around and avoided the question to the point it was blaintenly obviace. Also because the main streams media tendancy to demonise anything non Democratic and even moderate Dems for not believeing in the things they do, as well as some having connections to groups of individuals that are with in the party. Also because Dems have established a group whos perpuse is to attack and slander any one who disagrees or cridisieses their supporting Democratic party (which is illegal on multipal levels from basic law to the constitution) effectivly to slience any opponets, and sense this group operates seperatly from the main Liberal body the main Democratic body can create a plossibal deniability even though there are traisable connections between the two. This group was created by, once again, Clinton and his adminatrasion.
    The economy was in bad shape because of Clinton, not Bush. Bush and his polocies were actually helping the ecomeny untill the bubble of which Clinton and his people established colapsed. Once again, Bush's only part in this mess was him not standing up to the senate and the house to salve this bruwing problem, nothing else.
    As for the war which you brought up, Bush was actually doing very well in by allowing our Generals do what they needed to do. The war is a Gorilla war and these take a hell of a long time to fight.
    And now its Obama's war, which he changed the name to from the war on terrer to the “Overseas Contingency Operation.” (What ever the hell thats suppose to mean) So its actually Obama's war now.
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