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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by aceman67 View Post
    Do you honestly think that a politician is perfect? I think you're smarter then that. Do I think Obama is deceiving us? No, he's done more to benifet the US in his first 100 days in office then Bush did in his first year.
    Even though I'm Canadian, I'm a Liberal Canadian. I despise conservatism, especially when such conservatism infringes on peoples rights (Patriot Act, DMCA), violates established international law (War in Iraq), and plunges the world into an economic recession the likes that have not been seen since the 1930's.

    Socialism works. Canada, Britain, France, Germany, and many other countries should stand testament to that. Our economies are a hell of a lot stronger then the US right now as a result of that.
    Ok, socialism works humm... then you should be able to answer this question,tell me why is it that a lot of doctors from those countries are now practicing in America, is it because these people get zero compensation for all the years of school they had to go to become doctors and all the money they are probrobley indebt from? My accounting teacher was from Germany and she told my class the reason why she and her family are living in America is because of the socialization of the health care system because her husband is a doctor and they were making no money living in Germany, and they saw an opportunity in America and took it. I am tired of this Sicko (Michael Moore) mentality of how the gov't is f-ed for not providing people with health care. then why is it that people from britain and france come to the US for medical procedures, I thought that health care for all was the standard in those countries. the truth is that they have a priority list, if you don't fit a certain standard on that list guess what, that doctors visit that we have in the states will turn from a couple of days wait into a couple of months wait, in britain for example I heard of a elderly woman who was on a waiting list for 6 months just to see the doctor and she was feeling worst by the days and had to go to the US just to get the check up, and it turned out that she had to have surgery and that she would have died if she continued to wait for that check up, is that what we Americans want for our health care? and don't use that same old excuse of "oh well they should not be in medicine if it is all about they money for doctors" because that is a lie, if you are a ER doctor and you barely get 4 hours of sleep a day and are constantly looking at people, you will want that compansation for your work, not to mention that medical school is very, very expensive because you spend a lot of time studying medicine and need the money to pay for all of those years studying.

    The countries that you mentioned are apart of the EU (except Canada),
    so don't try to make it sound like the economys for those countries are strong alone because their economy is apart of each other, so of coarse they are going to look strong. so before you come to the table mister lib. canadian, don't talk about how you understand us because you don't know jack about US policies, because look at what is happening in France right now they are fighting over jobs and taking hostages because they feel entitled for AIG money (it's bull sh## that shouldn't have happen, but that is what happens when you don't read a bill), oh but a socialist system is so superior. I am a conservative (Mexican American) and we need people like you to make us realize what is weak in our country so that when we get off our butts and fix the mistakes that people like you make, we do it because this is our home, not because of what the world thinks about it but because we have to. Next time you want to talk about American politics, make sure to read a US history book before you talk.

    As for the patriot act mr.canada, it was needed to strenghten our security, we were starting to go back into a pre-WWII way of thinking that no one can hurt us, but they did. Since that time has the US been attacked, no instead thanks to programs put into effect by Bush we have been safe and have stop not only attacks in the US, but also abroad too, but because of peoples blinding hatred of Bush, they will never see what he actually did for us.

    Quote Originally Posted by EmoNightmareRose View Post
    I don't blame Obama for the situation we are in. When George W. Bush entered office for the first time we actually had a budget surplus. so he did a very retarded thing and cut all taxes...
    Then by the time he left the debt eating away at us. But he never raised taxes, but raising taxes which would've helped. this is where the "You have to spend money to make money" would've worked. but he didn't use it.
    Now Obama inherited this crap storm and this is what happens. He is increasing our debt which will only screw us over more. because that is a part of what Bush did to mess us up. but Obama intentions were good. hopefully he will help us find someway around this.
    What's with this everything is Bush's fault, when he was first elected he had to walk into a weak economy, yeah their might of been a surplus (you can thank reagan and not clinton for that, it was his programs and not clintons that allowed that to happen but who got the credit b/c they were in office) but we tend to forget that the economy was looking bad when he came into office and that things were still rocky until after 9/11, when the people started to rally behind Bush after 9/11, I can still remember seeing and hearing the Democrates saying that they will stand behind the president, then a month later during one of the first concert's the look of hatred for Bush started to appeared (fear of loosing their power) this was before the war in Iraq, so stop hiding behind that same old arguement and look at the big picture. Bush was given a weak military by Clinton, and was told that we had X amount of supplies to fight this war but it turned out that we were short of supplies because mr.Clinton cut our military to sh## (my mom works for raytheon so I know how great it is when democrates come into power) during his time and gave the new admin. false information of what we had on hand and thus we were under suppiled when we started to fight, but that is Bush fault, I forget, we were also supposed to go into a recession after the WTC were hit but did we, no we did not.

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    Why is everyone hating on Obama so bad?
    This problem wont be fixed in a snap of a finger, is that what you are expecting? I'd hope not, because Obama has his hands full on this one. And so would any other president. LET OBAMA DO HIS JOB, its MUCH to early to tell if he is a good president or not.
    He has had time to assemble his people and start leading, but he has already f-up with that by appointing corrupt people (i.e Giethner) to important positions, also he has spent less time in the white house to lead, he is the president, if the president is too busy traveling to town's like a white house spokemen then beening a president then the question should be who is really running the country. at least with Bush we knew what we were getting, with Obama, he has gone back on his promises so many times I can't even tell who the real Obama is, so how can I trust someone to do a job, when he is not doing it. read me response on the economy thread to see more.

    Quote Originally Posted by anime_being_god View Post
    If his policies were so badly organized, and poorly put out, then why was he elected? Your country voted him in as President to do this job, and its not like right when he stepped in Office things went down, dont forget this is still Bush's War, and the economy has been in bad shape for the past 5 years. Just give the man some time, its not like you could do better.
    I didn't vote for him (and I am proud of it) from the get go because he is a weak leader, I don't need a voice (the media) to tell me who to vote for, I think for myself, I listen to the speeches given by the presidential noms. last year and so far he has not disappointed me with what I got from him, weakening our military (guess what after all the talks about the republicans wanting a draft, it was a democrate who pushed for it after Obama was in office, but wait the media didn't say that to us, I wonder why?) by saying that we will close Gitmo, because people who say they want to kill Americans deserve trials in the US and a chance to go home and shoot at us again. The economy (look at my response on the economy thread) and by the way misinform person, it wasn't until the last year that we started to have real economic problems, because we as a country were seeing one of the best economic times until the housing bubble bursted, so what else, what other excuse are you going to make for him, why don't you get your head out of the sand and think for yourself, I don't need FOX or CNN to tell me how to think.

    Bush's war huh, well guess what if it was not for Bush, we would not have won that war (why is Obama keeping Bush's sec. of defense in that same position hum... I wonder?), and instead lost another ally in the middle east just because it is not benefical for the democrate to allow the republicans to have a win. Listen to your leaders and make your own decisions, instead of being a political robot to the system that tells you what to do, because you never put down a single fact of why we should trust Obama and why he should be given something that the last president was given, a chance.

    I want the US to recover, even though I did not vote for the man, as I am an American, I expect him to do well because the people voted for him and it's his duty to do good for us as he is the rep. for the American people. but seeing as how he is screwing us every chance he get's by not leading, that is a change that I can believe in.

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    To quote Obama: "This {economic} crisis did not happen solely by some accident of history or normal turn of the business cycle, and we won’t get out of it by simply waiting for a better day to come, or relying on the worn-out dogmas of the past. We arrived at this point due to an era of profound irresponsibility that stretched from corporate boardrooms to the halls of power in Washington, DC. For years, too many Wall Street executives made imprudent and dangerous decisions, seeking profits with too little regard for risk, too little regulatory scrutiny, and too little accountability. Banks made loans without concern for whether borrowers could repay them, and some borrowers took advantage of cheap credit to take on debt they couldn’t afford. Politicians spent taxpayer money without wisdom or discipline, and too often focused on scoring political points instead of the problems they were sent here to solve. The result has been a devastating loss of trust and confidence in our economy, our financial markets, and our government.

    THE PRESIDENT'S AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT PLAN

    With each passing day, families across America are watching their bills pile up and their savings disappear.

    President Obama believes that if we do not act quickly, this recession could linger for years – and America could lose the competitive edge that has served as the foundation for our strength and standing in the world.

    That's why the President has put forth an American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan that will jumpstart job creation and long-term growth by:

    * Doubling the production of alternative energy in the next three years.
    * Modernizing more than 75% of federal buildings and improve the energy efficiency of two million American homes, saving consumers and taxpayers billions on our energy bills.
    * Making the immediate investments necessary to ensure that within five years, all of America’s medical records are computerized.
    * Equipping tens of thousands of schools, community colleges, and public universities with 21st century classrooms, labs, and libraries.
    * Expanding broadband across America, so that a small business in a rural town can connect and compete with their counterparts anywhere in the world.
    * Investing in the science, research, and technology that will lead to new medical breakthroughs, new discoveries, and entire new industries.

    On January 8th, 2009 -- less than two weeks before taking office -- President Obama spoke on the need for urgent action on his American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan to save or create over 3 million jobs while investing in priorities like health care, energy, and education that will jumpstart economic growth. The plan represents not just a new policy, but a new approach to meeting our most urgent challenges.

    There is no doubt that the cost of this plan will be considerable. It will certainly add to the budget deficit in the short-term. But equally certain are the consequences of doing too little or nothing at all, for that will lead to an even greater deficit of jobs, incomes, and confidence in our economy. It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create jobs or long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government can provide the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this deep and severe. Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy – where a lack of spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending; where an inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less credit.

    That is why we need to act boldly and act now to reverse these cycles. That’s why we need to put money in the pockets of the American people, create new jobs, and invest in our future. That’s why we need to re-start the flow of credit and restore the rules of the road that will ensure a crisis like this never happens again.

    I understand that some might be skeptical of this plan. Our government has already spent a good deal of money, but we haven’t yet seen that translate into more jobs or higher incomes or renewed confidence in our economy. That’s why the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan won’t just throw money at our problems – we’ll invest in what works. The true test of the policies we’ll pursue won’t be whether they’re Democratic or Republican ideas, but whether they create jobs, grow our economy, and put the American Dream within reach of the American people.

    Instead of politicians doling out money behind a veil of secrecy, decisions about where we invest will be made transparently, and informed by independent experts wherever possible. Every American will be able to hold Washington accountable for these decisions by going online to see how and where their tax dollars are being spent.(log on to Welcome to the White House) And as I announced yesterday, we will launch an unprecedented effort to eliminate unwise and unnecessary spending that has never been more unaffordable for our nation and our children’s future than it is right now.

    No longer can we allow Wall Street wrongdoers to slip through regulatory cracks. No longer can we allow special interests to put their thumbs on the economic scales. No longer can we allow the unscrupulous lending and borrowing that leads only to destructive cycles of bubble and bust.

    It is time to set a new course for this economy, and that change must begin now. We should have an open and honest discussion about this recovery plan in the days ahead, but I urge Congress to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the American people. For every day we wait or point fingers or drag our feet, more Americans will lose their jobs. More families will lose their savings. More dreams will be deferred and denied. And our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.

    THE AGENDA • IRAQ

    Based on the recommendations of his military commanders and national security team, the President has chosen a timeline that will remove all U.S. combat brigades from Iraq over the next 18 months. By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end and Iraqi Security Forces will have full responsibility for major combat missions.

    After August 31, 2010, the mission of United States forces in Iraq will fundamentally change. Our forces will have three tasks: train, equip, and advise the Iraqi Security Forces; conduct targeted counterterrorism operations; and provide force protection for military and civilian personnel.

    The President intends to keep our commitment under the Status of Forces Agreement to remove all of our troops from Iraq by the end of 2011."

    Read more at: Welcome to the White House

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by aceman67 View Post
    he's done more to benifet the US in his first 100 days in office...
    Obama is in no way worthy of that comparison to FDR. Do you not realize that his health care system is purely a socialist ideal? I don't care what you or obama says to me. What he does means more than his speech.

    In my own opinion this election was purely racist perpetuation.
    Why do blacks call themselves nigga everywhere they go -hell i get called nigga sometimes- but when they are called nigga by a white person, do they react in irrational manner. This is purely the perpetuation of racism by those who no longer deserve the title of victim, but take it upon themselves to place this title upon themselves.

    The reason i see this as racism is because most anyone will tell you that you're being stupid and that they're not stupid (referring to black people with attitudes) but you can tell that if they had answered your question, it would be a purely racist decision. This is true for far too many people than would admit to it. I won't continue this path (rant), but you understand my point =).


    Obama supporters are mainly the uneducated portion of americans.
    I'd go so far to put money on the idea that if you had to pass a test about the government before being allowed to vote, and the position of each candidate, obama would not have won. I'm dead serious.

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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    He is a politician, therefore he lies, deceives and you are stupid to believe otherwise.

    Don't believe me? Think back just a few months to the claims he made while running for office:

    He pledged to remove wasteful spending and turn the tide on 'era of fiscal irresponsibility', and he pledged to remove earmarks if he had to read the bills line by line (which sounds a lot like he wasn't reading the bills he was voting on while in congress)

    So what does he do? Signs a $787 Billion Dollar stimulus bill, $410 Billion Omnibus Bill (caulk full of earmarks some of which his administration had put in there) and purposes a $4 trillion dollar budget for the new year. For those who think Bush was a wasteful spender... that is more money in the first 100 days then the first 2 years of the Bush administration...$1 trillion more than the Bush's administration's largest budget proposal which the democrats (including Obama) hailed as the most wasteful and irresponsible spending ever in American history. And what do they do? Add 1 trillion to that amount but this time hail it as necessary to get the economy moving again.

    While government spending is part of the GNP and increasing it will increase GNP, obviously there is something wrong with saying the Bush administration was wrong for all of their spending and that is what drove the economy down the drain and then saying the way we fix it is to have the government spend even more money but this time say it is ok since the new guy is doing it and he isn't named Bush.

    Also for those who don't understand American politics the process isn't the president wakes up one morning and says heck I will spend a few billion today.

    The president has to ask congress for any money that is spent and then they (being congress) has to ok it. Then the president has to sign it into effect. SO if the democrats really thought Bush was wasteful...why did they ok the spending during the last 2 years he was in office...you know when the democrats had a majority rule in congress?

    Furthermore he stated he was going to clean up the white house and run a cleaner administration...Nancy Killefer & Tom Daschle anyone? I mean it was bad enough he picked people to serve in his cabinet that didn't pay their taxes but he got mad people were making a big deal about it and caused them to withdrawal...loosing valuable assets to his administration...O_O Why do they get cabinet seats for not paying their taxes but my checks get leans and I go to jail when I don't pay mine?

    So yeah, he lies and deceives...did you really expect something different?

    P.S. Obama's 56% approval rating is how much lower than Bush's 68% in his first year?


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    I agree with the guy above me. I know because he is a politian therefore he lies. I don't think that he is from america. he won't release his birth certificate. so I think that he is from the terrriost countries. i know that not all ppl from there are terriost but i think he might be one and by getting our trust, he will be able to put us down easier.
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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoolivemonster View Post
    I agree with the guy above me. I know because he is a politian therefore he lies. I don't think that he is from america. he won't release his birth certificate. so I think that he is from the terrriost countries. i know that not all ppl from there are terriost but i think he might be one and by getting our trust, he will be able to put us down easier.
    just becuase someone is a politician doesnt mean they lie 0.o and so ok maybe and maybe not he's from the US and why would it be so important for him to release his birth certificate i dont even think thats necessary. At least he's trying to keep his promises for the better of this country i cant even say THAT much about BUSH -.-
    he is not a f* terriorst. if he was why and the hell did AMERICA put him in office, vast majority so you give us some credit i think we made the right choice. and for ppl on this thread who are over 18 if you have such a problem with it you should've voted. end of story.
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    I agree with rose. I didn't say he WAS a terriost but in order to be a US president, you had to be born here. but I don't really have a problem with him, it's just that i don't like one idea of his. legalizing abortion. it's murder. but women can do what they want.
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    Re: Is Obama a Deciever?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoolivemonster View Post
    I agree with rose. I didn't say he WAS a terriost but in order to be a US president, you had to be born here. but I don't really have a problem with him, it's just that i don't like one idea of his. legalizing abortion. it's murder. but women can do what they want.
    its there choice if they want to do it its their conscience not his and i thought he was born here..didnt he come over here when he was a small child? or something
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