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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by LenMiyata View Post
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    So Obama hasn't been in office for a year, and your complaining that he hasn't turned this country into 'Camelot'. He hasn't even had all his cabinet positions filled, (due to partisan bickering in Congress). The only thing were seeing right now is the consequences of the decisions that the previous administration made... It's going to take at least two years before we start to see the effects of changes Obama is making.

    And as far as the TARP funds goes, have you been keeping current with the news???
    Report: Crisis Loans Net $14 Billion to Fed - FOXBusiness.com
    You take my words out of context Len, also, I understand that he came in at a very tough time, how ever I am looking at the impact that HE him self is having, I don't expect everything to be fine and dandy, how ever he is making everything worse, he also has the worst people appointed to his cabinet, many of who are actual Communists, how do we know? Because they say so them selves.
    As for the consicquenses from the previas administration is a total laugh, other then tax cuts Bush didn't do squat that could have caused this and you people know it but are just to blind in your Bush hate, now I don't care much for Bush but I don't blame him for something that is not his fault to begin with but rather that was inacted by Liberals.
    And The Beatle is right, Obama has spent far more money then any other president. Obama is an idiot and the people who advise him are probably even bigger idiots.
    I am judging him and his administrations actions. He is horrible!! Hell I even have LIberial friends who switch to conservative when they were looking at what he was doing, hell, so has my mom and she was a very hard core democrat, how ever she wasnt ignorant and looked at the facts and the events and him and his people are doing and saying and she now thinks they are absolutly full of it.
    Also you and others STILL have not given any specific good he has done, you are speaking in generality which doesnt mean anything as any one can, so if you can't bring anything to the table to contradict what I am saying other then the same old gargen of Bush bad, Obama good, Its Bush fault, Obama has done a lot of good, whith out backing anything up is proof that you have no idea of whats going on that you are fallowing blindly in your biastness.

    As for your report Len, it does not say how the Fed made that large amount of money and are unwilling to talk about it, also, $14 billion is only a spit in the bucket compared to the amount of debt he and his adminstration is racking up which is in the TRILLIANS.

    (14,000,000,000.00 <- Thats 14 billian... In two years)
    (12,000,000,000,000.00 <- Thats a trillian... and roughly our debt)
    (And we get $3.93 billion per day deeper into debt.)
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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

    No he has divided the nation more than ever. When he campain he promised change but delivered none positive, but the defecit is up.

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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

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    No he has divided the nation more than ever. When he campain he promised change but delivered none positive, but the defecit is up.
    Proof of this you can simply switch on to the news, ABC, CNN, NBC where they call ANY one who is against Obama as Un-American, or hatefull racists, or simply angry mean white people, which couldnt be further from the truth. There was actually a black man who was against Obama and he got beat up by a bunch of pro Obama Union menders. Where the hell was the ACLU?! There have been many people from every color who have been speaking out against Obama but the media and liberials are turning it into a race issues as propaganda to push for their agendas. If thats your deffenition of "unification" then you guys need to read the dictionary.
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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

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    As for the consicquenses from the previas administration is a total laugh, other then tax cuts Bush didn't do squat that could have caused this and you people know it but are just to blind in your Bush hate, now I don't care much for Bush but I don't blame him for something that is not his fault to begin with but rather that was inacted by Liberals....

    Also you and others STILL have not given any specific good he has done, you are speaking in generality which doesnt mean anything as any one can, so if you can't bring anything to the table to contradict what I am saying other then the same old gargen of Bush bad, Obama good, Its Bush fault, Obama has done a lot of good, whith out backing anything up is proof that you have no idea of whats going on that you are fallowing blindly in your biastness.

    As for your report Len, it does not say how the Fed made that large amount of money and are unwilling to talk about it, also, $14 billion is only a spit in the bucket compared to the amount of debt he and his adminstration is racking up which is in the TRILLIANS.
    So your saying that stopping the world economy from falling into another Great Depression isn't a 'Good Thing'?!?! As it appears that those who opposed the emergency bailout funding, (which I admit, is nothing more then a tourniquet applied to a gaping wound), had the opinion that a 'Great Depression' is part of the normal economic cycle to shake speculators out of the market, and had no concern at all of the human costs involved. (Shades of Herbert Hoover!!!) The hard work that's still be done is the re-regulation of the finance industry to prevent the same issues from happening again!!!
    PARIS/WASHINGTON--Fears of a new Great Depression, all too real after Lehman Brothers collapsed a year ago, have abated as the global economy emerges from the depths of recession with the help of massive government intervention.
    Recovery Rules Out Depression a Year After Lehman - FOXBusiness.com

    As for Bush not doing anything to cause the economic crisis, you also didn't say he did something to prevent it. You can look over the last few decades for examples of what happened to markets without proper government over-site, from the Savings and Loans debacle of the 1980s (caused by Reagen deregulation of finance laws), and the Enron energy deregulation debacle. And SEC deregulation that allowed high risk sub-prime loans to laundered as high quality investment grade securities occurred under the eyes of the previous administration...

    And if you had been current with the news, you would know that the 14 Billion dollar profit is from early payment and buyout penalties for the TARP fund loans. As evidently, certain provisions, (such as executive salary caps and bonus limits) are so onerous that the profitable banks, want to be freed as soon as legally possible.
    In short, these big banks survived by double bailouts from the taxpayers. Now that they have collected AIG's taxpayer-financed reimbursements, they have paid off their official government loans, and are ready to begin paying big bonus packages again to their representatives. What's more, they're set to earn about $1 billion collectively for managing the breakup and sell-off of AIG.

    This entangled mess of bonus- and profit-taking on AIG's bailout and breakup simply stinks. The banks were just as culpable in passing on the burden of their flawed investments to the taxpayers, through AIG, as AIG was in insuring them. The banks should be made to pay back more to account for AIG's losses on their investments. Otherwise, taxpayers are still getting socked for their costly and reprehensible lack of due diligence in the flawed investments that nearly precipitated another Great Depression.
    Chattanooga Times Free Press | Payback for TARP bailout
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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

    I think that everyone is making a mountain out of a mole-hill...

    Like Len said, Obama came in to office at a rough time for our country. Only about eight or nine months have passed and people are being way too judgemental of Obama's work. Yeah, he has made a few financial errors, but they're outweighed by his progress as a whole.

    Sure, he's making some decisions that some of us don't agree with, but that happens in politics. We can either deal with it, or we can write congress and hope something changes. You also have to realize that we've had WAY worse leaders in the presidential office. The main reason Obama is frowned upon is the whole universal healthcare concept. Oh, well. If it happens, it happens. We really don't know how it will affect our country. Sure, we can use other countries and their economy as examples but, we don't know how it will affect us until it happens.

    I say we let this year end and if there's no real signifigant change, then we can complain. As of right now, I can't say whether Barack Obama is a good president or not--a year hasn't passed yet. I CAN say, however, that we've seen some improvement over the last eight or nine months. More improvement than we'd have gotten from McCain/Palin, I'm sure.


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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

    The thing is though Len he isant stopping it, he isant even slowing it down, he is playing off of it to push for his own agenda and that has put us even deeper into debt, to denie that shows absolute ignorance. And any good we see is done by privet instatusions and busnesses, not Obama or the Gov. as the money spent has only gone to Unions, supporters, and trivial things that does not help our econemy in the slightest. Do not for any reason give Obama credit on any possitive happenings that he did not contribute to. The first bail out bill only 10% was spent and all of which only went into his peoples pockets, or were over spent on trivial things that didn't help at all.
    And once againe the issues that started this was the banks which once again the Gov. caused, which was once again set in place by democrats. It was bad spending and over regulation that got us into this mess and you are promoting more of the same.
    Also I have stated in other threads that Bush did not do anything to stop it from happening, this is true, but then again neither did Bill Clinten, if anything Clinton promoted it and protected it. So if we are blaming people for not doing anything then everyone involved is responsible and not just one man, to do so other wise would be hypocritical.

    I have been keeping up on current events, why don't you open your eyes?

    Also there are busnesses, banks, and other isnstatutions that have been making a turn around, how ever this is caused by busness, not Gov. spending its guts out and does not mean our econemy is being fixed as our debt is still sky rocketing. Not to mention that the banks and buisnesses that were able to pay back the lones, Obama and his administration did not accept it which leaves them still holding the bag an in debt to the Gov.
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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

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    The thing is though Len he isant stopping it, he isant even slowing it down, he is playing off of it to push for his own agenda and that has put us even deeper into debt, to denie that shows absolute ignorance. And any good we see is done by privet instatusions and busnesses, not Obama or the Gov. as the money spent has only gone to Unions, supporters, and trivial things that does not help our econemy in the slightest. Do not for any reason give Obama credit on any possitive happenings that he did not contribute to.
    And once againe the issues that started this was the banks which once again the Gov. caused, which was once again set in place by democrats. It was bad spending and over regulation that got us into this mess and you are promoting more of the same.
    Oh Really??? Considering the demonstration of 'Leadership' that both Bush and McCain showed at the start of the financial crisis, do you really expect them to make the same hard painful decisions that Obama has been making? Remember, it was the private institutions of Wall Street that brought the world to the brink of global disaster, and according to Fox Business, it was only the massive government intervention that prevented this from occurring...
    PARIS/WASHINGTON--Fears of a new Great Depression, all too real after Lehman Brothers collapsed a year ago, have abated as the global economy emerges from the depths of recession with the help of massive government intervention.
    Recovery Rules Out Depression a Year After Lehman - FOXBusiness.com

    It seems like you want blame Obama for the government actions that you don't like, but not give Obama credit for the government actions that you do like... And yes, running up the national debt is bad, but are you really saying that this is worse then having the World Economy fall into a Great Depression?!?!

    And I've been backing up my statements with links to news articles posted by reputable news sites. As far as the claims that you've been making, to quote a Ronald Reagan campaign slogan... "Where's the Beef???"
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    Re: Obama: Is he a good president?

    Obama is NOT a good president. As a matter of fact I think history will show that he is actually one of the worst presidents we've ever had. He makes Jimmy Carter look good and that is hard to do.

    This is a president who has surrounded himself with like minded people all of his adult life. Obama is a radical socialist and his associations only strengthen to prove this. Bill Ayers was the person he asked to help launch his political career. Ayers was Obama's neighbor and friend. Ayers is a committed anti Capitalist who plotted and helped lauch attacks against the United States.

    Obama sat under a man for 20 years who preached a black theology that was filled with racist and anti American remarks directly from the pulpit. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor, married the Obama's and baptized both his daughters. This man was happy to announce the Sunday after 9/11 that "America's chickens have come home to roost" and put the blame for the attacks of 9/11 directly on the U.S. and it's foreign policy.

    The most recent is a man Obama appointed as the "Green Jobs" Czar. This man was an avowed Communist and repeated made racist comments concerning "white people". He signed a petition shortly after the 9/11 attacks accusing President Bush of knowing about and allowing the attacks to take place. Even if you didn't like Bush, to think a sitting President would allow such things to happen is beyond all reason.

    Obama has lied to the American people on numerous occasions. He promised if his Stimulus package was passed into law unemployment would never go above 8%. It's currently at 9.7% and rising. He promised his administration would be transparent and would post on the internet any bill it was introducing or backing for two weeks before any movement would be made on the bill. He is yet to post any of these things on a web site.

    Obama told us he did NOT want to take over General Motors just before he took over General Motors. This man has lied to us more than any other man to hold the office of president in the past 50 years.

    In closing Obama has told us the way to get out of financial difficulty is to spend our way out. LOL He has told us to trust the government to run health care better than it is currently being run. LOL He said he cares about us and we should keep our thermostats turned up in summer and down in winter while he keeps the white house freezing cold in the summer and nice and cozy warm in the winter. He takes his wife on dates to New York and costs us the tax payers over $350,000.00 and tells us to be ready to sacrifice. LOL He promises us we will NOT be paying any more taxes. LOL

    He is NOT to be trusted, he is NOT to be believed and HE IS NOT TO BE REELECTED.

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