rematche

eeeee!!...wrong!!
it's also a teacher's duty to apply discipline even if the principal who enforced the discipline and codes. so if the students misbehave in the classroom the teacher has to wait for the principal to go in and silenced them up? wow...nice really nice. also if there's a panic in the school, so the teacher then will wait for the principal then to bring order while most of the students kills each other then...geez i guess i was wrong then.

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Tbaism

Are you angry? Why?

It is the parents job to teach kids discipline and to show them be how to be a responsible individual. They should be far more influential than those who are not kin.

Teachers, Principals, and officials, are there to enforce discipline to a certain extent. The origins of those strategies and codes are from the parents themselves and are merely tools to utilize at their exposure. Even teachers have questions about the system, so who are they suppose to ask for advice and second opinons? Usually their superior right? Who is their superior usually? Besides, the principal or vice are the ones that tend to be in charge and are the middle men that run things. In a school they are the ones supposedly in charge and should be seen as just that.

My posts usually have more than a couple of sentences and relate to the topic as a whole. Why don't you actually respond to the entire thing instead of trying to pick and choose sentences for what appears, as an arsenal for a non-existent battle.

What about the other points you were trying to make?

!The White Wolf

That teacher just couldn't handle the disrespect from both the students and the administrators. However, she overreacted when she filed that lawsuit. She should have just quit instead of trying to get some [$$].//

Hell no the school wasn't right for not defending her. No matter what the situation is, the rules must have said something about respect and language. So therefore, the school should have stood by the teacher's side immediately. If not, then it might have been different. Even so, a school should be held responsible for a student's behavior. If a student acts up.. they should be sent home with some type of punishment depending on how bad their behavior was. Suspension, Expulsion, Detention.. This school did not do sh!t to defend their fellow worker. And to me, that is very selfish.

And about the culture.. that is pure Bullsh!t. EVERYONE knows that cussing is BAD and isn't proper. If they were raised like that and brought up like that, there are still rules and guidelines in a public place such as a SCHOOL that should enforce respect and bad language. So to me, that is an unexusable exuse.

rematche

just happen notice that i have a perfectionists here even in a forum. so all the things you've said that my very own opinion are all wrong then? well of course since you're one, obviously. very well guess i made a mistake in my opinion, mr. "moderator".
btw, i blame the school for not doing anything at all.

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_gwenibe_

Teachers are there only to TEACH. They aren't there to teach kids respect towards one another ot towards a teacher. I guess that comes down to the parents.

Schools are for teaching kids stuff, letting them learn. Since when was it in the job despcription for the teachers have a parent role and put their butts in place when in comes to discipline?

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atomik_sprout

First let me start by saying (speaking as someone who is mixed black and white, and raised in the hood) that vulgar language is NOT--I repeat... NOT--a part of Black-American culture!!! Yes, I do swear from time to time, and yes, swearing is all over the place. But, that doesn't mean that it's been a part of our heritage for centuries!! That's just an excuse... A very LAME excuse; one that makes all black people look bad at that. I am quite offended that a black person would actually say that vulgarity is part of our culture!!!

Secondly, I feel the teacher's pain. No child--I don't care if you're sixteen--should feel the need to swear at an adult! I couldn't be the teacher of those kids, because I'd friggin' snap! I applaud her for being tactful, and for going through the court system to get justice. I also dissaprove of the school's lack of responsibility for the situation. But, at the same time, you can't place all the blame on the schools. The parents are at fault as well.

My theory is that there are too many young people having children these days. WAY too many. Which in turn, is turning our society into a vicious hell-hole. When I worked for Lincoln Elementary School in Minneapolis, there were kids in the 5th grade with parents MY AGE!!! I was about 21 or 22 at the time, and I'm 26 now, and there are STILL people MY AGE with kids that are old as hell! Like 12 and 13 years old! If you're a kid yourself, you shouldn't be raising a kid, and if you ARE, you'd better do a good damn job of it, because no teacher should have to suffer like that lady did!!

My mom's a teacher, and if she came home cryin', talkin' about how the kids were assaulting her and calling her all kinds of derogatory names, I'd go to the school, to the kid's house, wherever I can find them and I'd give them a good piece of my mind! I won't physically hurt them, but I'll hurt the shit out of thier feelings.

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Tbaism

It is true I strive for perfection, but if you noticed the original posts, they are far from it. If they were, someone such as yourself would be able to understand how I might come to such a conclusion without having to spell everything out as I just did. You would also notice that I like to include logic and reasoning in them, allowing me to base an opinion on actual results; in turn, creating something that won't shatter when questioned a little.

I never stated that your opinions were wrong(I am not you), only that they seemed to lack something such as evidence; in a debate, it is sort of required to question that. I apologize if what you expected to be a mere argument, was in fact, not.

Debate - to discuss a question by considering opposed arguments.

I have continued to ask you "what about the other points you were trying to make", but you decided to ignore that, or you just couldn't back them up. I am sorry if I apprear to be a perfectionist(if that is actually a bad trait), because I am able to respond in a mature manner without an opinion being as brittle as crackers.

I consider my way amusing, reliable, intellectual, responsive, and far more relevent, than the latter. So if you don't mind, continue what you were trying to discuss. This is a request by an AO member, not a MOD. They have a considerable amount of expectations in comparison to me.