Rave_Grip

There are a series of questions which have been raging inside my mind.

What if the reason for total catastrophe God’s ultimate creation itself, us humans?
Come to think of it rationally, in history, humans have always been a prominent cause of disaster. This includes mass-scale wars, environmental damage and pollution, extinction of some species, endangering wildlife, sea-life and racial abuse.

And, could we be the reason for the Fateful day … where absolute annihilation strikes?

I am taught that the way when everything would die out is by the complete submerge of land. Don’t worry about the fancy stuff.

If you look at it, we are the main reason for the world’s consistent climate change.

And also, I know that we are living in the last age where sins have risen to completely new heights. The dreadful Kaliyuga.
Could we be the source of the Apocalypse?

What are your opinions?

Correct me if you must, and add anything you like.

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aceman67

even if all the ice at the poles melted and all of the snow on the mountains melted along with all the Glaciers as well, there just isn't enough water on the planet to compleatly submerge the entire globe.

There are places in the world that are still high enough that they wouldn't be covered.

Now I do agree with you that some disasters are caused by man: Some mud slides, forest fires, rock slides, avalanches, disease outbreak, nuclear fall out (Either by a Bomb or electrical plant melt down) ect ect.

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Rave_Grip

Haha, yes, and if all the fresh water de-salinates [sp?] the ocean water, the ocean conveyer belt in the Atlantic ocean will cease to function, resulting in the sudden stop in the flow of warm water, therefore an ice-age is bound to cover the entire planet.

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Arrianna

Except water is a heat sink. The more you have the more heat it can absorb the colder it gets. It also traps CO2. So until the oceans turn to seltzer water I'm not going to worry to much.

Honestly you give people to much credit. This ecosystem we live in is more complicated, sophisticated, and capable then we are. If it blows (outside of nuclear winter, maybe) you can be sure the disaster will be natural in it's origins. Maybe that's why people are so ready to believe men are responsible for the planets ills. It's a lot less scary then admitting we know jack, can do less, and have no control over circumstances that just may kill us.

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Rave_Grip

It works this way ^_^ -
The ocean conveyer belt :

Is located in the atlantic ocean. Assuming that the glaciers aren't melting, and locked up in the poles, everything is fine.

THe belt works by flowing the water up to the cold places, where the water has tendency to become cold and get heavy. As the water sinks, the flows down to the equator like regions, where the water gets heated up, therefore becoming light and rising up. Keeping in mind that this works perfectly by using ocean [salty] water only.
So if the ice caps melt, the fresh water will de-salinate the ocean water, making it fresh, therefore stopping the belt. And if that happens, water will freeze and if that happens, an ice-age will cover the entire planet again. This happened about 10,000 years ago or so, I think. Or maybe 100,000... dunno.

Anywho, nature also does play its part, but it has done these things before to "clean up the junk" from this planet.

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aceman67

Me thinks someone's watched "The Day After Tomorrow" too many times...

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Rave_Grip

Haha, never watched it. Only in trailers.

And I watched this on national Geographic's 1 and a half hour documentary. And this wouldn't happen in a day or two, but in 30 to 40 years.

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cantsenditback

yeah we could be the most likely to cause our oun destruction in this world. If the Apocalypse do happen, it is our fault as no one else cauesd our own downfall

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Joe Mage

I have ta agree wit Arrianna wit this 1, it's easy ta place the blame on ppl than ta admit that somethin' that u don' completely understand is the cause of what's happenin' ta the world. By blamin' ppl, we put a face on an imagined catastrophe (not sayin' that man hasn' had it share of blame for the ailes of the environment) and think that if we're ta blame for it, then we're the solution. All to often, nature tries ta teach us a lesson in humility and that we have no control over her and all too often, mankind forgets the lesson. We can' control evrythin' that goes on in nature, heck; we can' even control a small portion of it. We need ta learn that we're not the reason why the sun shines, the moon rises, and the tide comes in. Ta learn that nature has her own way.

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Barronmore

Actually, right now, according to the church of global warming, it's cow methane that is the 'greatest concern to the planet'. By man eating beef, were destroying the planet with methane gas. Never mind the fact that cows have been raised by man for thousands of years....it's only become a problem right now.

But then again, in the 90's it was the evils of the combustion engine and all those horrible cars we have smogging up the planet. Except we cleaned that mess and technically smog can't destroy the ozone layer because it's to heavy to get to the ozone layer.

In the 80's it was hair spray, and in the 70's we had global cooling going on. But both of those were supposed to destroy us in 10 years too.

The fact of the matter is we can't really effect the planet on a whole. Oh, we can mess up portions of it pretty well...but effect the entire planet? Doubtful. Considering that Mount Saint Hellan's put more pollutants into the atmosphere in one day then all the the cars in the world combined did in one year i say we pretty much are on the far end of 'can't effect crap' scale.

And of course the planet is very good at cleaning up after us for any actual damage we do to a section of it. When Prince William Sound was 'ravaged' by the cruel hand of capitalism, all the environmentalists rushed the beach with dawn dish soap in hand to clean up all the birds and beaches. It took them a year and it didin't work out that well....but a mile down the coast where no one took the time to clean up, mother nature did a fine job of cleaning up after her children. And in less time as well.

So, why do we have this movement? It's about two factors...money and power (as it always is) and feeling good about yourself (afterall, your 'helping the environment).

There is a lot of money and power in the environmental movement on all levels. We've seen new industries appear overnight with "carbon offsets" and these new mercury filled light bulbs that all all the rage. And don't forget the power. Enviornmentalists have congress wrapped around their finger. They pass laws to control what you can drive, what fuel you can use to drive, where that fuel can come from (apparently the Middle east is less important to environmentalists then Alaska is), what the fuel actually is, what light bulbs you can have in your home, how cool you can keep your house in the summer...etc. There are a lot of things that they control.

Of course we accept all these limitations on our lifestyle because we want to feel like 'were making difference' even though were not. Look at carbon offsets if you don't believe me. Now, remember if we don't change our ways, the planet will be destroyed in 10 years we have to stop driving in all our SUV's and private jets...except the rich. They can just buy carbon offsets...Fly your private jet coast to coast for a political fund raiser? No problem. Plant a tree in and 2055 that tree will have offset your carbon emissions for your trip. Now you can feel better about it. Except the fact where your habbits really didn't change and you've doomed the planet in 10 years...we'll before your tree cleans up your mess in 2055.

Or what about those new fangled CFL light bulbs. "If every house in America just bought one bulb it would have the environmental effect of removing 200 million cars from the road". Never mind the fact that they are toxic to both humans and the planet itself. After all, one of the primary ingredients is mercury - a very toxic and pollutant substance - and if the bulb breaks (which they will) you have to call out a environmental clean up unit to clean it up...as in this wonderful example here.But that's ok...it's for 'the environment'.

My point is we can't harm the entire planet. The whole environmental movement is a joke. It started out as a good cause by well meaning people but has ballooned into something much more. The sad thing is that people are buying into all this fear mongering and granting power over their lives to other people who do not have their best interests at heart.

I have no problem believing in climate change. After all, the planet's weather patterns have changed periodically though all of recorded history. But that we can cause or prevent it...that's well into the realm of fiction.

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Arrianna

It also works like this:
NASA - NASA Sees Arctic Ocean Circulation Do an About-Face

and this:
NASA - NASA Examines Arctic Sea Ice Changes Leading to Record Low in 2007
Which all adds up to we don't know jack, have much less to do with any of it then people admit, and are still learning why and how things happen with a long way to go before we know.

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