Rave_Grip

Let's divide this into two parts. Mine and Tsu's.

Mine first
Even though Jesus is the Son of God, he still has a greater knowledge and a wisdom far more valuable than us. He died to safe us, but I don't think that he would die to see the world in shambles in 2008. Any exceptions? Maybe. They say that even a murdered can go to heaven. All you have to do is believe. To go to heaven, you have to have a journey, not only restricted to physical one, but more importantly, an intellectual, inner and emotional journey. What you learn, do, realize and subsequently believe in will alter the views of the made up reality around us. And if you're lucky enough, you'll be embraced.

What I'm trying is that a long bearded person, wearing torn clothes and wandering through the world, full of wisdom and equally number of questions in his head is more likely to go to "heaven" than Al Gore.

Tsu's:
They invented it because they were scared and greedy

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Akura13

yes, I have heard of that happening, and it's sad. People giving other people false hope just to make a profit. It's like, now everytime you want to go to a church, you have to check everything about it! That has been going on alot around here. This little act dosent help people ask for forgiveness, it just makes there life harder. Forgiveness is sussposed to be easy, so you can go to heaven and all that. Reancarnation seems so much easier theses days...
and yeah, people can be awfule at times...

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Rave_Grip

It's not a trend you can adapt and throw away, you must believe in one thing after judging both sides and making rational decisions based on wisdom, experience, beliefs and thinking.

Forgiveness at times is easy, at times it is not. Reincarnation is scary if not scarier, because you could a beautiful person full of talents in one life, but in the other life you could turn out to be like me.

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Akura13

yes, that is true. Forgiveness can be hard or easy, depends on how much you want it. As for reancarnation, I hate the thought of me being an 'afterlife' of someone...its really creepy! And I would have to agree rave, it is scary! You could be something beautiful, or you could turn out to be something horrible! Honestly, I'd rather believe in heaven and hell, for in my eyes, it's not as scary as reancarnation...

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Rave_Grip

Heaven and hell is all here.

And you didn't have to add horrible... I'm already low on esteem!

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Akura13

oh, so sorry about that. I didn't mean it that way! I just meant that like I wouldn't want to die and be reborn into a pig! Seriously, now if you got to choose what to be reborn as, that's a diffrent story. At least with heaven and hell, you'd still be the same person and look the same as when you died...

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Rave_Grip

The thing is that you get chances. In heaven and hell you don't. And that is pretty obvious why.
So if you're reincarnated, you will not know anything about your past life. And the beauty is, you get to live again ... in an unexpected way.

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Akura13

Yes, but you can live life the best you can and pray you get into heaven. With reancarnation, that 'unexpected way' could be something you totally didn't expect, and you would regret it. By now, I envy the vikings, for they had multiple ways of dieing and diffrent gods for each occasion, all ending fairly good. But my heart stays with heaven and hell. I do find it easy to do good things, and keep the bad things to yourself.

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Rave_Grip

Look at Vikings and Hindus. We have like 500 Gods! Even if you run to any God, I believe they are just forms of God. And no matter which one you choose, the truth will always be the same, and you will be judged according to that.

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Akura13

Yes, that is true. So mostly, all you have to do to get to heaven is go to church, pray, and ask God for forgiveness. It may seem very simple, but easier said than done. If only life were as simple as a Jahova's Witness, where all that happens when you die is turn to dust and not celebrate any event at all in your life. I have many friends like that, and they're scared of dieing, because they don't want to turn to dust. I feel so very sorry for them.

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Rave_Grip

Meh, what can you do? A scary prank would be very entertaining.

And life would be easy for him, but he was living a simple life. In those days life wasn't complex.

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