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    Re: Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by lebasiara View Post
    Lardo, religion by itself is harmful. There is a big huge difference in being religious and being christian. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying; but we cannot be general.
    Cannot be general? I think I understand what you mean, but how do you mean general?

    General as in going to church, being a good person to your own moral standards and not being branded any typical Section of Christianity.
    Or as in branding Catholics and Protastants as Christians?
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    Re: Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lardo View Post
    Cannot be general? I think I understand what you mean, but how do you mean general?

    General as in going to church, being a good person to your own moral standards and not being branded any typical Section of Christianity.
    Or as in branding Catholics and Protastants as Christians?
    Well being christian entails more than going to church and being a good person. There is a huge importance in what the religion is teaching for it to be considerd christianity. There is a huge debate about Mitt Romney running for president because he is mormon, which a lot of the older religions such as Catholosism and Protastants dont believe to be a christian religion. Its a strange and messy argument but a significant one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lardo View Post
    Cannot be general? I think I understand what you mean, but how do you mean general?

    General as in going to church, being a good person to your own moral standards and not being branded any typical Section of Christianity.
    Or as in branding Catholics and Protastants as Christians?
    What I mean by general is that you cannot judge a whole group of ppl just because a few do not know how to be really christians. Being christian is not "to warm pews" on sunday mornings, it goes farther than that. I suggest you something... before judging make sure you truly know what you are talking about. There are real christians out there. I know that and I am sure of that, also i know that there are crappy ppl that their actions are more religious and traditionalist than christians; and that is causing a lot of ppl like you to suppose that all are the same. that's what i meant when i said "Do not be general"
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    Re: Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by lebasiara View Post
    What I mean by general is that you cannot judge a whole group of ppl just because a few do not know how to be really christians. Being christian is not "to warm pews" on sunday mornings, it goes farther than that. I suggest you something... before judging make sure you truly know what you are talking about. There are real christians out there. I know that and I am sure of that, also i know that there are crappy ppl that their actions are more religious and traditionalist than christians; and that is causing a lot of ppl like you to suppose that all are the same. that's what i meant when i said "Do not be general"
    So, the way I understand this.Is don't judge everyone who belives in something just because another group who belive in something do something stupied or out of wack or something like.

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    Re: Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon f View Post
    Look at Japan.No religion there.
    Actually they have a great deal of religion. The top two are Shinto and Buddism (followed by Christianity). It's so integrated into the society that it's almost impossible to separate it from popular culture. It never ceases to amuse me how people with a Judeo-Christian background or culture fail to understand that the Eastern "philosophies" are actually of religious origin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lardo View Post
    1 of the 'Ten Commandments is "You shall worship no other God, but me" or something to that effect' does that mean that God is a meglomaniac? He's also just fallen fowl of 2 sins; Lust and Jealosy.
    Not at all but you need a better understanding of the origins of religion (not to mention the deadly sins you are referring to). Let me just compare it to the government saying "do not kill". That doesn't mean that they just infringed upon your rights, only put limitations on acceptable behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by N8VE South View Post
    Everyone seems to be focusing on christianity so far. Which Religion do you think is the biggest today? (it's not christianity)
    Actually Christianity is the largest with 33.03% of the world population. Second is Muslims with 20.12% then followed by Hindus (13.34%) and Buddhists (5.89%).

    The World Fact Book



    Getting back to the original question however...
    Quote Originally Posted by The bouncer View Post
    Well I belive that all the religous gods exsist but depending on which god u worship that determains which heaven or hell you go to may not make too much sense but thats what i thing about all this, that all religons are equal in all ways. whats your opinon
    I very much believe in God. I have looked at it from many view points and no matter what angle I take it comes to the same conclusion. That includes the view of evolution.

    Take for example what if people do evolve? A Scifi writer who believes in evolution surprised me with this thought and I've never been able to debunk it. If people do evolve eventually we will extend out lives possibly become "immortal". We'll spread out to the stars. Have technologies we can't even dream of now. All powerful, all knowing, all seeing. Assumably we would eventually want to do the same for others, create our own "children". It was his belief that that is what has happened and that is what God is. You know what? I really can't find a hole in that theory other then personal belief. It IS the logical conclusion of a belief in evolution.

    Thing is I don't believe in evolution. Why? Because I believe the author did get one thing right. That technology if it is advanced enough will seem "miraculous". If God is as all knowing as we have been told doesn't that mean that all the things we eek out our lives trying to discover, all the "new" discoveries we make about growing organics (even human) creations from science labs, he already knows? If God really knows all that then what does he need evolution for? Why would he sit around for thousands of millenniums (or more) when he can just go "take the DNA, put it in a solution, here's a cow". At that point the question isn't where we came from but where did he come from.... but that's getting just a little to deep into things we can't possibly answer can we.


    As for gods? (A little background on the subject) At one time there was a belief in "gods" as well as God the Father. What happened? Well in Christianity language is to blame. The words for gods (yes, lesser gods not on par with God) evolved into other words such as Angel, Messenger, Devil, etc. Instead of lumping all "gods" into one group they started differentiating them according to type and job description. That of course makes it very confusing to someone who doesn't know that. It also makes for some confusion concerning monotheism and polytheism.

    You see, Monotheism is a belief in one Eternal God who runs everything and is in charge of the angels/gods who organize the world according to his wishes. Implicit in that is that the angels have their own agency as much as we do and there are those in rebellion to him who wish to be worshiped instead and will do anything to put a spike in the wheels so to speak. It doesn't mean that monotheist don't believe there are other entities out there only that there is one God (the Father).

    Polytheism however is a belief in multiple fallible gods. Ones with apatites and failings like any mortal on the earth. It seems to me to be a way of cutting "god" down to size. After all nothing we ever do is wrong if the gods do it too. The interesting thing about polytheism is that it springs up from politics. You find it in places where political structures have pulled together multiple beliefs into a single structure by declaring all beliefs to be true.

    Polytheism by it's nature as such springs from monotheism rather then the other way around. By it's nature it also has to admit to the truth of monotheism because if all gods exist then that means the Judeo-Christian one does as well. That is why when Christianity started spreading there was an alter built to "the unknown god" by Greeks who didn't want to offend this "new god" by leaving him out.

    Monotheism also believes in the existence of other "gods" they just differ on who they are. After all if they are correct about the structure of the gods (being servants to God or in defiance of him) then to worship another god (assuming they do exist) would be to come out in support of those in rebellion to the one in charge, God the Father. (Does that answer your question Lardo?)



    My own beliefs? Well as I said I very much believe in God. That, as deodaclan put it, we have intelligence for a reason. It is our responsibility to reason, learn, and discover for ourselves what is true. If you don't find out for yourself and decide for yourself it will be utterly meaningless. That correct religion teaches men to be good and good men to be better. That like everything else it can be used as a tool by the power hungry for personal gain. The true question is if you see someone actually living their religion what are their "fruits", the consequences, of their actions? Everything has consequences, sometimes people have to live with the consequences of others actions as well as their own, but what are the consequences of their own actions. That in and of itself will speak far more loudly then words.


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    Re: Religion

    Ah, she referenced me. I feel so smart now, lol. The only thing I have to say is that it could be that god made evolution possible seeing as how the world will be changing as well, so although I believe in god, I'm not so fast to throw out evolution yet. I feel it can be possible to believe in both. Other than that I like what you posted arriana, .

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    Re: Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by deodaclan18 View Post
    Ah, she referenced me. I feel so smart now, lol. The only thing I have to say is that it could be that god made evolution possible seeing as how the world will be changing as well, so although I believe in god, I'm not so fast to throw out evolution yet. I feel it can be possible to believe in both. Other than that I like what you posted arriana, .
    You forgot articulate. You are very articulate as well.

    Now are you speaking about evolution or genetic drift? Evolution as it's preached (the evolving of multi-celled organisms from single celled organism through mutation) is what I find redundant, unnecessary, and quite honestly impossible. Genetic drift though is so obviously true that it doesn't bear mentioning. After all breeders use it to create new strains all the time... or would that be (un)natural selection... Oh well, same result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lebasiara View Post
    What I mean by general is that you cannot judge a whole group of ppl just because a few do not know how to be really christians. Being christian is not "to warm pews" on sunday mornings, it goes farther than that. I suggest you something... before judging make sure you truly know what you are talking about. There are real christians out there. I know that and I am sure of that, also i know that there are crappy ppl that their actions are more religious and traditionalist than christians; and that is causing a lot of ppl like you to suppose that all are the same. that's what i meant when i said "Do not be general"
    I appologise form branding everyone the same, but what I'm getting at is that Religon could acheive so much more if each seperat section could put aside their differences and work together. I personally am not sure if there's a God, but I don't automatically dismiss Religon. I keep an open mind and like to look at both sides of the argument. What my problem with religon is that it's their to help people, but it seems to cause lots of problems and used as an excuse to be utter bastards to each other!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    Not at all but you need a better understanding of the origins of religion (not to mention the deadly sins you are referring to). Let me just compare it to the government saying "do not kill". That doesn't mean that they just infringed upon your rights, only put limitations on acceptable behavior.
    Dose that mean that the 10 Commandments are a case of "Do as I say. Not as I do"? In that case, I beleive God should listen to the Cliche: "Practice what you Preach"
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