Is Religion Necessary?

Tetsanosuke Kirikami · Nov 29, 2007, 02:23 PM

I have asked this question at my home forum a long time ago, and I thought I'd get a discussion going. Please don't flame.

Over the many years of human-kind's existence, from the primordial stages of small imaginations and hanging knuckles to our fully bipedal strides and thought out inquiries, there has been dispute in the name of religious appreciation and acception.

Religion, faith in a way of life, or faith in a higher power. Generally meaning in terms of organized religion, where people are united under one banner and common belief system (Or outer structure thereof). This which has caused wars (Like the Crusades and the Jihads) and have created radicalism.. Has also given us hope for life after death and security for our causes.

This driving force, this crazy train of ideals and mythological happenings (In general)... Is it truly necessary for our existence as humans in this world?

Also, what is it to you? Does it make your life any easier to bare or any more fulfilling?

mellow maromi · Nov 29, 2007, 02:36 PM

I think it was necessary in the past, when they didn't have science, and needed stories to explain things. But now, i think (and hope) that people are intelligent enough to make it through life without leaning on "God" for support. We have science, we can explain things that could never be explained before. We live in a free country, a mostly free world, where our own government protects us. We no longer need religion.

However, since religions are passed down from parents to child, generation to generation, i find it hard to believe it will die out any time soon. Maybe slowly.

TetsuoShima9 · Nov 29, 2007, 03:17 PM

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I think it was necessary in the past, when they didn't have science, and needed stories to explain things. But now, i think (and hope) that people are intelligent enough to make it through life without leaning on "God" for support. We have science, we can explain things that could never be explained before. We live in a free country, a mostly free world, where our own government protects us. We no longer need religion.

Religon is needed. What would we do if we let everyone carry out whatever comes to mind? Science has caused just as many deaths as religon. I mean just think about the Atomic Bomb, a creation that has killed millions of people. Also what about the people that made guns for us to use that are never used for hunting. Also, don't forget about land mines which kill thousands of people everyday. Religon makes sense in a world of evil.

Tetsanosuke Kirikami · Nov 29, 2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuoShima9

Religon is needed. What would we do if we let everyone carry out whatever comes to mind? Science has caused just as many deaths as religon. I mean just think about the Atomic Bomb, a creation that has killed millions of people. Also what about the people that made guns for us to use that are never used for hunting. Also, don't forget about land mines which kill thousands of people everyday. Religon makes sense in a world of evil.

Ahh, but that's just it my friend. Religion isn't needed for that.

Read this essay, it explains why we don't need religion to stay and clay ethics as well as moral standing.

If you don't get it then well, read it again and you might understand.

Astaroth · Nov 29, 2007, 03:29 PM

I do not think that religion is that important. My mother is a very religious Jew and my dad is a Christian and even though they tried to force me to go to church and synagogue.......it just was not for me. For example on 9/11, when my aunt dies, i did pray......and i think the majority people pray if something goes wrong globally or personally.....
I don't know......but that is just my opinion

_gwenibe_ · Nov 29, 2007, 03:29 PM

TetsuoShima, using your arguement..

People do whatever they feel like now with religion! also, for every life that is ' is killed because of science' think of all the lives that are being saved because of it. Your argument of 'science kills' makes no sense. It's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person behind it, same with bombs..many of them probably religious..

anywho, more on topic. To individuals no religion isn't necessary as a society I don't think it is either, I'm sure the human race could survive without it. In the scope of basic survival it doesn't bring anything ( ignoring a persons emotional needs).

I felt as if believing in a religion made my life worse. Why should I believe in a book, that believes in a god, that if I sin I'm going to hell? It's like a directorship, live how he wants you to and you'll be right. I like to be able to question things, be free and open minded, not be told, this is how the earth was made and that is the only way. I live my life how I want to, not how some one else wants to

mellow maromi · Nov 29, 2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by _gwenibe_

TetsuoShima, using your arguement..

People do whatever they feel like now with religion! also, for every life that is ' is killed because of science' think of all the lives that are being saved because of it. Your argument of 'science kills' makes no sense. It's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person behind it, same with bombs..many of them probably religious..

anywho, more on topic. To individuals no religion isn't necessary as a society I don't think it is either, I'm sure the human race could survive without it. In the scope of basic survival it doesn't bring anything ( ignoring a persons emotional needs).

I felt as if believing in a religion made my life worse. Why should I believe in a book, that believes in a good, that if I sin I'm going to hell? It's like a directorship, live how he wants you to and you'll be right. I like to be able to question things, be free and open minded, not be told, this is how the earth was made and that is the only way.

Exactly! Just like a dictatorship.

Also, to TetsuoShima, without religion, people wouldnt just do what ever they want. Are you forgetting what government is? The little organization that keeps our country together, keeps us in check, yet providing protection? Hell is not the only thing that keeps people from committing crimes. You are forgetting about jail, prison, public ridicule and humiliation, and the death penalty, the ultimate punishment.

Sazzy · Nov 29, 2007, 04:07 PM

For me growing up with a religion helped me to understand boundaries of ones own personal belief system. We can all decide on what is real and what isn't. We don't need religion to tell us what we believe in as that is forcing someone to see everything from another persons perspective. That doesn't show individuality.

Now that I am 21 I am very sure that with sections of Christainty there are things I don't believe to be right, one of them being evangelism for instance. Forcing one's own beliefs onto another is morally wrong and cause reasons for one to hate said religion.

Religion is and wasn't really needed as for some its a way of life but for others it was a part of life that gets in the way and makes us rebel from the religion.

Priestess Angel · Nov 29, 2007, 04:29 PM

I don’t think religion is needed to keep a society together. In fact, I think in some cases it would do more harm than good. So I don’t think religion is needed in that aspect.

I do think that the human psyche needs a belief system to look to. Whether it be a religion or science. I think that everyone needs something to look toward to help them shape their beliefs. In that sense, I think religion or rather some sort of belief is needed.

So all in all, in community settings it wouldn’t be needed but for the individual I think religion or some form of belief is needed.

Tetsanosuke Kirikami · Nov 29, 2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Priestess Angel

I don’t think religion is needed to keep a society together. In fact, I think in some cases it would do more harm than good. So I don’t think religion is needed in that aspect.

I do think that the human psyche needs a belief system to look to. Whether it be a religion or science. I think that everyone needs something to look toward to help them shape their beliefs. In that sense, I think religion or rather some sort of belief is needed.

So all in all, in community settings it wouldn’t be needed but for the individual I think religion or some form of belief is needed.

Hence the way I believe. Belief, like Religion, Magick and so on is all a leap of faith. That leap of faith can be direction through this world, or as I have stated in another post a safety belt for those who'd have it.

Faith, in science and logic or Belief in a higher power helps shape who we are. Because reality may go on more then one scale. This includes our own, which is brought out by our perspective of things.

TetsuoShima9 · Nov 29, 2007, 04:50 PM

OK stop the insults. I can read fine, i just don't like being told I can't. I have aspergers' so piss off.

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Tetsanosuke Kirikami Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere in ol'Michigan Posts: 117 Thanks: 15 Thanked 13 Times in 13 Posts Credits: 10,886	Is Religion Necessary? I have asked this question at my home forum a long time ago, and I thought I'd get a discussion going. Please don't flame. Over the many years of human-kind's existence, from the primordial stages of small imaginations and hanging knuckles to our fully bipedal strides and thought out inquiries, there has been dispute in the name of religious appreciation and acception. Religion, faith in a way of life, or faith in a higher power. Generally meaning in terms of organized religion, where people are united under one banner and common belief system (Or outer structure thereof). This which has caused wars (Like the Crusades and the Jihads) and have created radicalism.. Has also given us hope for life after death and security for our causes. This driving force, this crazy train of ideals and mythological happenings (In general)... Is it truly necessary for our existence as humans in this world? Also, what is it to you? Does it make your life any easier to bare or any more fulfilling? __________________ "Walk in with Reason, and leave with Passion."
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mellow maromi AO Animator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 706 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts Credits: 11,126	Re: Is Religion Neccesary? I think it was necessary in the past, when they didn't have science, and needed stories to explain things. But now, i think (and hope) that people are intelligent enough to make it through life without leaning on "God" for support. We have science, we can explain things that could never be explained before. We live in a free country, a mostly free world, where our own government protects us. We no longer need religion. However, since religions are passed down from parents to child, generation to generation, i find it hard to believe it will die out any time soon. Maybe slowly. __________________
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Astaroth Chtonian Slayer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: you really do not want to know Posts: 563 Thanks: 23 Thanked 47 Times in 45 Posts Credits: 31,449	Re: Is Religion Necessary? I do not think that religion is that important. My mother is a very religious Jew and my dad is a Christian and even though they tried to force me to go to church and synagogue.......it just was not for me. For example on 9/11, when my aunt dies, i did pray......and i think the majority people pray if something goes wrong globally or personally..... I don't know......but that is just my opinion __________________ DO NOT MAKE ME UNLEASH MY INNER DEMON
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_gwenibe_ ::sMiLe:: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: On the moon Posts: 1,133 Thanks: 1 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts Credits: 17,659	Re: Is Religion Necessary? TetsuoShima, using your arguement.. People do whatever they feel like now with religion! also, for every life that is ' is killed because of science' think of all the lives that are being saved because of it. Your argument of 'science kills' makes no sense. It's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person behind it, same with bombs..many of them probably religious.. anywho, more on topic. To individuals no religion isn't necessary as a society I don't think it is either, I'm sure the human race could survive without it. In the scope of basic survival it doesn't bring anything ( ignoring a persons emotional needs). I felt as if believing in a religion made my life worse. Why should I believe in a book, that believes in a god, that if I sin I'm going to hell? It's like a directorship, live how he wants you to and you'll be right. I like to be able to question things, be free and open minded, not be told, this is how the earth was made and that is the only way. I live my life how I want to, not how some one else wants to __________________ <AO RULES> <ANIME VECTOR> Last edited by _gwenibe_; Nov 29, 2007 at 03:49 PM.
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Sazzy Member of 22 yr old Club Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In my imagination restricted by British Society! Posts: 1,807 Thanks: 7 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts Credits: 33,031	Re: Is Religion Necessary? For me growing up with a religion helped me to understand boundaries of ones own personal belief system. We can all decide on what is real and what isn't. We don't need religion to tell us what we believe in as that is forcing someone to see everything from another persons perspective. That doesn't show individuality. Now that I am 21 I am very sure that with sections of Christainty there are things I don't believe to be right, one of them being evangelism for instance. Forcing one's own beliefs onto another is morally wrong and cause reasons for one to hate said religion. Religion is and wasn't really needed as for some its a way of life but for others it was a part of life that gets in the way and makes us rebel from the religion. __________________ FAVOURITE THREADS EXPLAIN why, or risk an infraction. *Will no long use any signatures.. only on forums that appreciate my effort.*
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Priestess Angel Nisou Tenshi Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Right where you think I am Posts: 542 Thanks: 18 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts Credits: 14,299	Re: Is Religion Necessary? I don’t think religion is needed to keep a society together. In fact, I think in some cases it would do more harm than good. So I don’t think religion is needed in that aspect. I do think that the human psyche needs a belief system to look to. Whether it be a religion or science. I think that everyone needs something to look toward to help them shape their beliefs. In that sense, I think religion or rather some sort of belief is needed. So all in all, in community settings it wouldn’t be needed but for the individual I think religion or some form of belief is needed. __________________
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TetsuoShima9 Diamond in the Rough Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: United States Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Credits: 1,567	Re: Is Religion Necessary? OK stop the insults. I can read fine, i just don't like being told I can't. I have aspergers' so piss off.
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