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![]() Credits: 16,264 | Re: Religion, is it true? Quote:
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Oh, looking at the newer posts, I'd say you've got your work cut out for you. You know, you could introduce plenty of new points to the discussion all at once in a single post, and hope that you could stop the show using numbers, but it won't get you anywhere closer to understanding my side. Just the opposite -- you'd just be confusing you. But not me; this ain't a live debate, after all, we have all the time in the world. I'd be bewildered at first with what you throw at me, but at least you've given me lots to chew on in my spare time. Are you willing to consider my side before arguing yours or not? If you interrupt me with further points, then you wouldn't be helping yourself. It's true that the more stones you use to build your fort, the stronger your position. The more shells you fire at the other guy's fort, the sooner you get to bring him down. But what applies in war doesn't work well entirely when it comes to serious discussion. You use force and deception to win in war. Unless you can manage to fool everyone, and keep them fooled for all eternity, either by force or persuasion, you can't win debates that way. We ask questions not because we simply want to, or because we want to topple down the other guy with questions he can't answer all at once, but because we want answers that are true. Not just baseless speculation, or things that are candy to the mind, but what really is. I want to hear what you think, one at a time, to make sure we don't overlook anything. So when I ask you a question, please answer it correctly as succinctly as possible. No new points until we resolve the issues we have at hand first. Capische? Quote:
Back to the discussion. Let's clear up a bit of confusion first. Since we've been discussing omnipotence, I assume that you've assumed with me, at least for the sake of the argument, that God exists, and that he is sentient, and powerful?
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![]() ![]() Credits: 1,440 | Re: Religon, is it true? Quote:
![]() let me explain what i meant in a shorter version: theory of evolution- we come from a long chain of....animals or whatever into what we are today. Bible-GOD!!!! That's all i know I'm not much of a reader so i won't really know what that guy Darwin wrote One thing though, the bible was inspired by God and given by God so its not the jews fault that they weren't scientist and if the bible is wrong or not accurate then....i guess god is not perfect hahahaha ![]()
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If you're not much of a reader, and you haven't read what other people before you in time have said, how can you easily conclude that the Bible is wrong, and God isn't perfect? And with such feelings of certitude? Please, please, please read, even if you have to resort to Dawkins. You can always check Wikipedia if you absolutely don't want to read the originals.
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That is impossible without changing the very character of God. The point of religion is that there is an afterlife and often that there was a life before as well. Take away an afterlife and you remove God himself and religion by default leaving nothing to discuss. Your choice. Last edited by Arrianna; May 11, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason: clarifying | ||||||
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![]() Credits: 16,384 | Re: Religion, is it true? also one has to know what is going on!!! arg... what if you do not know what "Omniscience and Agency" are... (and to not feeling like it to find out what they are...) ok: it all depends on the person... some people will naturaly deside to help some one... its not the act of a high and mighty "thing"...
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![]() Lady Barronmore | Re: Religion, is it true? ![]() Omniscience means that a being (God in this case) knows everything; past, future, natural laws, science, you name it. Agency means that every person born is born with the ability to make choices for themselves such as between good and evil. The discussion involved how an omnipotent God does not interfere with the agency of man and what the consequences of one who did would be. If you go back and read my posts for the last few pages it might make more sense. Does that help? |
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![]() Credits: 16,384 | Re: Religion, is it true? yep yep ty for explaining it ^^but its true it does depend on the person. They might chose to do what they do... it does not mean that there is a "god"... it only means that there is a natural prosses going on...
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![]() Credits: 37,884 | Re: Religion, is it true? How do you think that happened? is there any proof?
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![]() Lady Barronmore | Re: Religion, is it true? Quote:
The question in this case was how agency would be affected by the existence of an omnipotent God and visa verses. Is a God that recognizes and respects agency good or evil or... would a God who didn't but instead removed all choices against it's commands in order to prevent the consequences of evil actions be good or evil? Some people try and claim there cannot be a God because there is suffering in the world but fail to consider the outcome of a God who would not permit any suffering or choice (ie. agency). Or in other words the existence of suffering in the world is not proof against the "truth" of religion but is instead a natural result of agency. | |
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