Religion, is it true? - Page 15

psychical · May 13, 2008, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by basilisk888

yep yep

ty for explaining it ^^
but its true it does depend on the person. They might chose to do what they do... it does not mean that there is a "god"... it only means that there is a natural prosses going on...

OK. Here's something for you to chew on while I call over the atheist cavalry:

Where do you suppose these natural processes come from? How did they happen to exist in the first place? Did they come from nothing, or did something already existing cause them to exist?

Here's a clue: "Out of nothing, nothing comes."

basilisk888 · May 13, 2008, 05:31 AM

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How do you think that happened? is there any proof?

yes there is proof... some people did an exp. to see if you can create life.... and they put in all the things that was in the first creation of the earth... what they found is that it created two of the caponents in DNA!!! now is that proof for you?

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The question in this case was how agency would be affected by the existence of an omnipotent God and visa verses. Is a God that recognizes and respects agency good or evil or... would a God who didn't but instead removed all choices against it's commands in order to prevent the consequences of evil actions be good or evil? Some people try and claim there cannot be a God because there is suffering in the world but fail to consider the outcome of a God who would not permit any suffering or choice (ie. agency).

buy what if its natural without the "god"? also another thing you are leting a organisation rule your life they knew how to minipulate the people back in the dark ages... what if they are doing the same know

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Where do you suppose these natural processes come from? How did they happen to exist in the first place? Did they come from nothing, or did something already existing cause them to exist?

well... hmm... think of it this way in the begining of the world it started as a big ball of molten lava and rock and mediors hitting it all the time... well was there any natural "cycle" going on... (a little off wording) but when the first "germs" of life started (not out of nothing out of the reactions in the world at that time...) well there started a natural processes and way of life. if can change for any liveing thing on the planet and at any time. (little wierd wording there also..) but what I mean is that the life came from the begining of the planet and branched off with comon desent; to the way we see it today.

*LichGRIFFIN* · May 13, 2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by basilisk888

yes there is proof... some people did an exp. to see if you can create life.... and they put in all the things that was in the first creation of the earth... what they found is that it created two of the caponents in DNA!!! now is that proof for you?

I see ,so there isn't any need for God anymore ,we can create humans you know.

and even if we supposed so where do you think they bring a soul from? that's another matter "creation".

basilisk888 · May 13, 2008, 10:43 AM

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I see ,so there isn't any need for God anymore ,we can create humans you know.
and even if we supposed so where do you think they bring a soul from? that's another matter "creation".

or there was never a "god"... the soal is called life... everything has it even the cloned sheep and stuff... it is posible to "create life"

*LichGRIFFIN* · May 13, 2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by basilisk888

or there was never a "god"... the soal is called life... everything has it even the cloned sheep and stuff... it is posible to "create life"

You didn't answer my question ,it is possible to "build" a body but is it the same with the soul creation? only God can do it and thus humans will never create new lives ,never.

basilisk888 · May 13, 2008, 10:57 AM

yes they can... through cloneing... but it takes evolution to create what you are talking about... there was never the instance of one sec. there was not humans and the next there was... we and everything else evolved into what we are through a looooooong period of time...

*Arrianna* · May 13, 2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by basilisk888

buy what if its natural without the "god"?

Of course it is, that is what a Natural Law is. It exists under any and all circumstances like gravity, thermodynamics, energy, and entropy. Part of being omnipotent however means knowing those laws and understanding them. After all you have to know the rules to "break" them.

basilisk888 · May 13, 2008, 11:16 AM

well... (???) then can you have all of this (world) without a "higher being"???

*LichGRIFFIN* · May 13, 2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by basilisk888

yes they can... through cloneing... but it takes evolution to create what you are talking about... there was never the instance of one sec. there was not humans and the next there was... we and everything else evolved into what we are through a looooooong period of time...

I can't believe you just said that ,go study cloning then comeback to me ,first of all ,cloned bodies have the remaining age of its original host cells ,where's the creation in that?

*Arrianna* · May 13, 2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by basilisk888

well... (???) then can you have all of this (world) without a "higher being"???

That depends on whether you believe in clocks occurring naturally or not. You can make basic DNA components but that doesn't make them organized. There are so many "missing links" that simply make the belief of life being organized by chance a matter of faith that it is easy to believe in a "hand" being involved instead. Entropy itself argues against chance. The very discussion of the end of the universe beggars it as well. Left to itself life doesn't build up it breaks down into it's most basic components. Just as clocks are built by a "being" moving and organizing the parts that have already been formed from raw materials life itself and it's organization can be done the same way as well.

Kiani Haki22 · May 13, 2008, 11:32 AM

Me personally I believe there is a greater being and it happens to be GOD....I think if we follow his word we will eventually join him in heaven and I do believe that there will come a day when the world will end and all GODS people will go to heaven. Well that is just what I believe so feel free to disagree.

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