Thread: Religion, is it true?

Originally Posted by basilisk888

yep yep ty for explaining it ^^
but its true it does depend on the person. They might chose to do what they do... it does not mean that there is a "god"... it only means that there is a natural prosses going on...

Correct, agency is a natural law necessary for our happiness.

The question in this case was how agency would be affected by the existence of an omnipotent God and visa verses. Is a God that recognizes and respects agency good or evil or... would a God who didn't but instead removed all choices against it's commands in order to prevent the consequences of evil actions be good or evil? Some people try and claim there cannot be a God because there is suffering in the world but fail to consider the outcome of a God who would not permit any suffering or choice (ie. agency).

Or in other words the existence of suffering in the world is not proof against the "truth" of religion but is instead a natural result of agency.

Originally Posted by basilisk888

yep yep ty for explaining it ^^
but its true it does depend on the person. They might chose to do what they do... it does not mean that there is a "god"... it only means that there is a natural prosses going on...

OK. Here's something for you to chew on while I call over the atheist cavalry:

Where do you suppose these natural processes come from? How did they happen to exist in the first place? Did they come from nothing, or did something already existing cause them to exist?

Here's a clue: "Out of nothing, nothing comes."

How do you think that happened? is there any proof?

yes there is proof... some people did an exp. to see if you can create life.... and they put in all the things that was in the first creation of the earth... what they found is that it created two of the caponents in DNA!!! now is that proof for you?

The question in this case was how agency would be affected by the existence of an omnipotent God and visa verses. Is a God that recognizes and respects agency good or evil or... would a God who didn't but instead removed all choices against it's commands in order to prevent the consequences of evil actions be good or evil? Some people try and claim there cannot be a God because there is suffering in the world but fail to consider the outcome of a God who would not permit any suffering or choice (ie. agency).

buy what if its natural without the "god"? also another thing you are leting a organisation rule your life they knew how to minipulate the people back in the dark ages... what if they are doing the same know

Where do you suppose these natural processes come from? How did they happen to exist in the first place? Did they come from nothing, or did something already existing cause them to exist?

well... hmm... think of it this way in the begining of the world it started as a big ball of molten lava and rock and mediors hitting it all the time... well was there any natural "cycle" going on... (a little off wording) but when the first "germs" of life started (not out of nothing out of the reactions in the world at that time...) well there started a natural processes and way of life. if can change for any liveing thing on the planet and at any time. (little wierd wording there also..) but what I mean is that the life came from the begining of the planet and branched off with comon desent; to the way we see it today.

Originally Posted by basilisk888

yes there is proof... some people did an exp. to see if you can create life.... and they put in all the things that was in the first creation of the earth... what they found is that it created two of the caponents in DNA!!! now is that proof for you?

I see ,so there isn't any need for God anymore ,we can create humans you know.
and even if we supposed so where do you think they bring a soul from? that's another matter "creation".

I see ,so there isn't any need for God anymore ,we can create humans you know.
and even if we supposed so where do you think they bring a soul from? that's another matter "creation".

or there was never a "god"... the soal is called life... everything has it even the cloned sheep and stuff... it is posible to "create life"

Originally Posted by basilisk888

or there was never a "god"... the soal is called life... everything has it even the cloned sheep and stuff... it is posible to "create life"

You didn't answer my question ,it is possible to "build" a body but is it the same with the soul creation? only God can do it and thus humans will never create new lives ,never.

yes they can... through cloneing... but it takes evolution to create what you are talking about... there was never the instance of one sec. there was not humans and the next there was... we and everything else evolved into what we are through a looooooong period of time...