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Old Apr 25, 2008, 11:39 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

I agree that it all depends on what you personally believe in. I'm Pagan myself and follow the Path of the Dragon. I believe in multiple Gods and Goddesses and worship nature and life as well. That is just what I believe in. I also think that there are multiple religions for a very good reason. What works for one of us does not necessarily work for all of us. If you believe in one God and that helps you grow spiritually, I wish you the best. If you are an Existentialist meaning that you believe we are born, we live, and we die and that's it and that works for you, I wish you the best as well. What I'm trying to say is: look around and find what works for you. I'm behind you 100% no matter which path you take.
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Old Apr 26, 2008, 09:44 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

The most important isn't the nature of God, but personal needs to believe. People can believe by many various ways. In this situation the authenticity of religion can be boldly omitted. Unfortunaltely, more people can't or do not want to accept this way.
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Old Apr 26, 2008, 04:54 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

Different Religon, different god or gods.Ancient Egyptions people believe in different gods from the people of the greeks and their god/s to the people of a tiny island and the god/s they worship in their why. its also in what the path their "god" lay for them and what their god could do and what that god reign over, it could be life, death or all thing in the universe
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 10:06 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

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Hi again, DFD! Thanks for satisfying my curiosity, and I'm sorry I had to reply just now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reasons for believing that you've given me so far -- because of great reverence for nature, because of opposition to Christianity -- are subjective (that is, they depend on your own experiences, ideas, and perspectives rather than the nature of the object of your belief), which are good, albeit personal, reasons to believe.

Now let's take the argument a bit further. Could you help my curiosity again, and tell me this time not why they believe it is true, but what is it about their religion that makes it true, regardless of whether people believe in it or not, or whether people know about it at all?
I don't know if they think their religion is "true". But of course I don't believe that there is an actual true" religion. All the religions in the world are the same in which we all worship the sun (usually). There is a man God/Goddess that is represented as the creator and the symbol or description of that God or Goddess is the sun. ie. Amaterasu, Ra, Zeus, God, Allah.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 02:48 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

No, "religion" is not true.

Let me explain. There is a big difference between saying something is true and that it has truth. With the second you only need there to be things in it that are true. Does religion, generally have truths? Yes. However for something to be "true" it must be completely true not just have some truth.

Now I am prepared to say that the religion I believe in is true, in it's entirety, but I am not going to say that religion, all religion, is completely true. It would be impossible. While most religions do have many things in common there are to many contradictory beliefs from one to another that prevent it by their very existence. For that matter I know many people who cannot say that their own religions are true in their entirety either. Can you?

Not to different from what you were saying Descended From Darkness but with the exception that I do believe there is a "true" religion.



Mind you this subject was titled so badly that that has nothing to do with initial post which is why I never bothered to post before now. I saw no reason to discuss the "true"ness of something without a decent parameter.
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Re: Religon, is it true?

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No, "religion" is not true.

Let me explain. There is a big difference between saying something is true and that it has truth. With the second you only need there to be things in it that are true. Does religion, generally have truths? Yes. However for something to be "true" it must be completely true not just have some truth.

Now I am prepared to say that the religion I believe in is true, in it's entirety, but I am not going to say that religion, all religion, is completely true. It would be impossible. While most religions do have many things in common there are to many contradictory beliefs from one to another that prevent it by their very existence. For that matter I know many people who cannot say that their own religions are true in their entirety either. Can you?

Not to different from what you were saying Descended From Darkness but with the exception that I do believe there is a "true" religion.



Mind you this subject was titled so badly that that has nothing to do with initial post which is why I never bothered to post before now. I saw no reason to discuss the "true"ness of something without a decent parameter.
"95% of what you hear is a lie" (just something that I heard somewere) well say that 99% of religon is false or has no meaning look for the 1% that is true and go on from there.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 04:12 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

Someone is a cynic.

In my experience it is more like 90%+ is true and the rest is false or misrepresented. However try traveling 100 miles with a compass that is even 1 degree off and see where it gets you. It is important no matter what you believe to sort the true from the non-truths.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 04:18 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Re: Religon, is it true?

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Someone is a cynic.

In my experience it is more like 90%+ is true and the rest is false or misrepresented. However try traveling 100 miles with a compass that is even 1 degree off and see where it gets you. It is important no matter what you believe to sort the true from the non-truths.
ok mybe I got the numbers wrong but the problem is even if 99% of was true and only 1% of it was false most people do not know what that 1% is and they take out some of the true meanings and fill it in with false ones. If that happens for a long time (with religon has been going for a looooooong time) well the numbers with start to grow and the true things will grow less and less. *just saying if that would to happen and if you do travel 100 miles and 1% off route you'll never find where you were to go.
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Re: Religon, is it true?

I am a Christian and to those who change facts from the Bible then it mentions several
times that you will suffer a worser fate than others for adding or subtracting anything
from the truth and even the Bible. And the whole point of religion is to not know and yet
have faith in God. To believe and to trust in God. It is your choice alone to believe.
But if the world is nothing and we are nothing then this is all nothing, everything
you believe in. I'm not saying conform but just know what you believe in.
And to those who say how does God exist if he created everything and everyone.
I say he created himself just like he created everything. But this is purely my own
theory some others may believe it some have their own theories, but after thinking
about it thats my conclusion. Choose whats yours? But God does not force us but
lets us choose our own way. Sorry if I seem a little brainwashed but I get a little
chatty on these kinds of subjects, but can never resist a good debate.
I know it sounds nerdy. And no I'm not on a debate club.
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Re: Religon, is it true?

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I am a Christian and to those who change facts from the Bible then it mentions several
times that you will suffer a worser fate than others for adding or subtracting anything
from the truth and even the Bible. And the whole point of religion is to not know and yet
have faith in God. To believe and to trust in God. It is your choice alone to believe.
But if the world is nothing and we are nothing then this is all nothing, everything
you believe in. I'm not saying conform but just know what you believe in.
And to those who say how does God exist if he created everything and everyone.
I say he created himself just like he created everything. But this is purely my own
theory some others may believe it some have their own theories, but after thinking
about it thats my conclusion. Choose whats yours? But God does not force us but
lets us choose our own way. Sorry if I seem a little brainwashed but I get a little
chatty on these kinds of subjects, but can never resist a good debate.
I know it sounds nerdy. And no I'm not on a debate club.
but just a little thing that I heard about some of the religons in the world is in the olden times people of high power in the religons would change things to there own likeing.... I think I was a little "brainwashed" also because while even starting this I was lissening to a song called "Atheist Peace" >.< ops I gues it was a wroung thing to do oh well... well anyways I'm going to say this again I'm not hear to try to convert you all to one or another religon (I'm one without any religon >.<)
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Re: Religion, is it true?

Throughout history, religion's purpose has been to aid man. It answers tough questions, like in many cases, how creation came about, and it satisfies one's need for spiritual completeness. Just feeling that you're not alone in the universe, that there's a greater scheme of things controlled by a force greater than you, helps keep a lot of people sane. That said, it doesn't really matter if people's beliefs are true, so long as they're not forcing them onto others. Even if a religion is false, it doesn't keep it from serving its purpose.

Personally, I think there has to be something out there... be it God, or Zeus, or a Magical My-Little-Pony figurine. I can't comprehend the idea that life and thought just came about out of nowhere. But some people not only can make sense of that notion, but are at peace with it, and I can respect that.

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