basilisk888

there is also another thing that I heard from a person "back then if you said you see god you were called a saint, now if you say you see god you are called a scisafrenic."(or something...) a thing that I learned that in the olden days alot of people were mentaly chalenged because their parents molded their heads at birth... They thought that if you molded the babies head to what you wanted it to look like the baby would grow up that way. Now we know that is not true. This might have not happened in most cultures but say that some of the people who were the saints had mental probelms... (if you mold a babies head at birth it may lead to brain destution >.< )

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It's schizophrenia and I know what you are saying. I know a couple people that have claimed that have seen God or even talk to God and it does seem a little weird/awkward. Also back in the olden days if you had epileptic seizures and thought you were of God people thought you were decescended from a God and treated you as such (ie Julius Caeser) nowadays if you say that you are God people think you are insane or that you are the anti-christ. (Yes there are still people out there that believe if you don't think or believe in the same thing as them that you are the anti-christ or the follower of Satan).

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basilisk888

ya, not take that info and say that alot of people (in the olden days) alot of people have that mental problem they would say that they see a "god" like figure and form a religon off of it. (well some ideas in religon are good but some are not...)

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Arrianna

Congratulations you just insulted 96% of the world population.

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basilisk888

(>.< shoot not again >.<)

did I just not say that there is some good ideas in religon its just that some of the religon may have started from mentaly insane people... (not saying any...) it just a postipibilty...

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Arrianna

It's a theory I have heard before however it is one without any basis in proof. There is no evidence that would support it so all you are left with is people who adamantly refuse to believe in visions claiming it must be mental illness.

It's like the people who claim that near death experiences are actually hallucinations caused by a lack of oxygen to the brain but cannot explain how the person who died can repeat conversations word for word that occurred in other rooms/places during that time.

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basilisk888

fine go in a time traveler and go see if this did or did not happen. well you can't be the people who think about all the posibilities well we can always think.

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Arrianna

You don't need to be a time traveler you just need to trace a probably cause.

Epilepsy was considered a sign of someone favored by the gods by the Romans, true. You need to remember though that both the Greeks and Roman priest/esses used drugs to induce visions not unlike peyote now days for some tribes.

In Catholicism you can point to a regime of starvation and self mortification that could lead to hallucinatory visions but that wasn't done until the late Medieval-Renaissance period and had no bearing on the establishment of cannon, even then.

Cause and effect. To simply say they must have been schizophrenic without something to back it up is libelous to the religion and insulting.

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basilisk888

but there is something to back it up them fave found that there was people who would mold their child's HEAD! that lead to brain damige and other things. And while you are saying about drugs and diffrent things well have you ever taken something that (no saying anyone should) makes you go into a trance and see things. And the oricals were under drugs... >.<

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Arrianna

In what societies though and were the religions themselves effected by it? I know of several societies who did that and from the research I have read there was no wide spread brain damage nor has there been mainstream religious canon from them.

Yes, drugs and self deprivation. That wasn't what you were talking about though and it is a far cry from metal illness.

Show cause and effect sufficient to prove sequential long term mental illness in the forming of religious cannon or even that the drugs and deprivation formed current religious cannon either.

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basilisk888

do we really need to go into depth with this all... I'm saying (now) that its (in your case of thinking) a mutiple effect of reasons that can cause brain damige and trances that can make you see things that are not there. All I was saying before was molding of the head mybe a key factor in it... (most likely drugs also)

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