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Old Mar 13, 2008, 07:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

I agree with you Gren But I think there is something that beats fear... "Power"

If we see through history bad people with power did attrocities and unthinkable things towards human being...
Some examples:

Bloody Mary: Having a resentment against christians she got to power. Once in there she made the most bloody history part of christianity. Her torture and killing methods were unthinkable!!

Going back through history we have the witch hunting and killing. Fomented by whom? the leaders of those times....

One famous: Hittler! I think most of us know at least what he did with jews and non jews. But mostly the jews.... I cannot still grasp so much evil and mistreatment towards humans!

Another Stalin!! with his "wise" power he made the USSR fall bit by bit. Nope, I don't think Gorvachev was responsible for the fall... actually he wanted to save and restore the Union.
Also Stalin almost provoked WWIII just after the WWII was over!! during the Cold War!!

The Hutu vs Tutsi genocide in Ruanda was promoted by the radio by their President!!!

and so on so on so on!!

There is something connected to power: Money

Money gives power... and power... can do a lot of good... but also very very bad things.... for me the trigger of all evil is power. From there... we can go on and on....
People in power are always afraid if someone is going to take their power away... so they do the impossible to remain there...
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Old Mar 13, 2008, 07:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

I vote for:

Immaturity is the root of all evil.


Sounds absurd? Think about it. As we grow all the things our parents are supposed to teach us are "good". Share your things with others, say please and thank you, it doesn't matter if you didn't mean it to happen you should have thought about it first (the number of times I have said that one....). The mental attitude of actions with no consequences or an egocentric belief that the world revolves around you is one shared with my 5 year old. Yet there are people who seem to have never learned better or are just in denial. I submit to you that they simply never grew up or have chosen not to mature.

So, immaturity is the root of all evil.
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Old Mar 13, 2008, 09:07 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

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The root of something doesn't necessarily need to commit the evil in question... it needs only to be the ultimate cause of it. We can argue the semantics for days, but in the end the sentence is designed to be filled with a single word to sum up a generalization.

I would agree that "money" is a decent nomination.

We're talking about the source... not necesarily the "evil" itself.
People cause and create everything considered evil, even the definition of it. Simply put without us there is no such thing as evil. You can't say money causes anything because it is someone's love, desire, need or lust for it which causes them to even create, print or use money. Thus the "cause" is those feelings which we as people create. Meaning the "origin" or "source" of evil is people not an inanimate object.

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ie. If we remove money from the equation, does wealth-seperation/greed still exist? Maybe... but a better case can be made for eliminating money than for executing everyone who is greedy.
Money is only a medium for buying things, eliminate it and you have changed nothing. The greed and "evil" is still there. People will still kill, cheat, rob and destroy to "get" things. Even when they have no real need of it. Making a case for eliminating money to fix the problem is the same as changing a band-aid to a gauze on a wound that never heals. Neither caused the issue and neither can fix it, simply because you cannot "fix" human nature and human nature is evident.

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If we remove religion from the equation, do faith-based conflicts end? does oppression of women end? etc. etc. Maybe... maybe not... but a better case can be made for stamping out religion than stamping out those who believe in it.
People will find a way to war and conflict regardless of religion, it isn't the religion which is wrong but those who warp the teachings of that religion to perverseness and use that as a means of justification for their evilness. Much the same oppression of women is not a religious affair, while it historically is linked to religion it is not something that would disappear with the removal of religion. As long as people allow themselves to be repressed others will repress them. I am in no way blaming women for being oppressed just stating that religion is a medium, remove it and laws and statues will replace them. Remove those and other means will arise.


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The root doesn't need to be a DIRECT cause. It can be the "bait", the "justification", the "reward", whatever...
Your use of the word root in the sense of the question of this thread would imply the meaning primary source or the origin. "Bait", "justification" and "reward" are all superficial; a root is the hidden thing which sustains being. Remove "bait", "justification" and "reward" and you will still have evil because the root is none of those things. It us in our heart of hearts which use those things to cover what we really are.
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Old Mar 13, 2008, 09:13 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

Then your answer would be "people"... and that's your argument.

Doesn't make anyone else's argument any less valid for actually attempting to answer the question at hand in a word :P

We're completing a common cliche... a common cliche that usually ends in a noun.

ie. "Money is the root of all evil", "Women are the root of all evil", "Religion is the root of all evil", etc.

Can we stop with the semantics already? :/
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Old Mar 15, 2008, 04:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

We are the root of evil, most items mentioned we have created, we are the source, you must dig deep. You could say god's evil becuase he created us. Well actually no because god intenended for all of us to be equal and live with our own minds we create what we are. It's pretty simple if oyu don'tbelive in god then that point dosen't count and it proves my point more. If we could all change this topic would be pointless as we would all be equal and no evil would exsist. However the chances of everyone changing is winning the lottery everyday since you were 15 to when you are 100. Which is possible like chaning everyone is possible, it's just the time we don't have as our earth will be long gone before we change our selfish ways.
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Old Mar 15, 2008, 08:16 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

You know when I think about it morals in itself could be considered the root of all evil. And I know that sounds crazy and ludicrous but hear me out.

Our morals that have been taught by our families and have been formed by our own perception of things helps us differentiate what is right and wrong. So when morality is added to the human psyche the existence of good and evil is formed in our reality of the world.

So basically if we had no morals or rather no perception of what is right or wrong then there would be no such thing as evil but at the same time there would be so such thing as good. One can't exist without the other.
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Old Mar 15, 2008, 09:27 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

i say humans are the root of all evil.
because humans feel fear, and feel gready, or jelous, or power hungry. it doesn't matter what it is that we would fear or want so much of or what we would envy someone about its just the fact that humans feel these emotions that would make us the root of all evil.
And you could even say that love is a root of evil because people do things that are not right for what they love.
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Old Mar 17, 2008, 05:01 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

The Devil is the root of all evil. He tempts us with things we shouldn't do. Trys to make us stray away from our morals. And yet I can't say its all his fault. Humans help with our fair share of weakness. But for the most of it the devil.
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Old Mar 17, 2008, 05:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

i agree that the devil has a lot to do with i but i think i human weakness we let things get to use and dont trust in god and there for we sin and do evil but if we just totaly trust in god we would be better off.
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Old Mar 17, 2008, 08:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: The Root of All Evil

I agree with most of what is said and have come up with human imperfection as the root of all evil. Whatever we lack or whatever we have, humans always go overboard in trying to obtain, protect, act, and refrain in our actions. But its only natural. No one is perfect and everyone has their own faults.

Its true money tends to be a major source all the evil. But there is plenty of evil going on without money. For example the Zodiac killer, he killed for his own glory. Son of Sam murder people because he felt like it. Rapists do what they do for the thrill and the power over others. Dictators love power so they dominate other countries.

In the end, it all leads back to the 7 deadly sins. Lust, Greed, Pride, Gluttony, Sloth, Wrath, and Envy. For these things are what make humans imperfect and cause practically all the evil in this world.

If you want to go into the religious sense of the root of evil being the Devil, then you have to realize that God gives people choices. The Devil nor God can for anyone into doing anything. It has always been the choice of the humans to do what was right or wrong. So the only thing the Devil did was paint a pretty picture since he is an angel and not some demon with horns. Its still the humans decision to choose right from wrong.
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Old Mar 17, 2008, 08:30 AM   #22 (permalink)
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hummmmmmmm... I think you are giving it to much credit... we are the sourse of evil... The devil just uses it... but at the end most of the evil we come with is pure ours. I think we have good and evil in us. We are the ones who decide at the end... no one else. We do what we do because we want to... and evil is part of what we enjoy doing I don't know why. I don't find very pleasant to hurt anyone... even though sometimes I do so because my selfish desires. I am human...
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