Thread: Was Satan a mistake?

PART 1
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Was Satan a mistake? Afterall... God is perfect and cannot commit evil, and if Satan is practically the "say-so of evil"... then indirectly, whether Satan was originally created as a perfect being and turned evil or always had evil in 'him', wouldn't God have made evil? And in that way, committing evil?



The first thing you have to ask first is:
Do you believe in God?

If not, this topic is already finished for you.


The second thing is:
Do you believe in Satan?

If not, this topic is already finished for you.




... now... here's where it starts getting complicated:
What is your viewpoint in life?


Believe it or not, that question can alter reality for you... however, truth can't be altered by thought, it can only be perceived differently. (Just as a warning)






........now, for the arguments:


(A1) Satan? Could 'he' possibly be the yin of God's yang?

In other words: Could Satan be the definition of God as God is the definition of Satan? (Aa)

(Ab) Afterall, how would one understand good without knowing what is evil?


If that is the case, then Satan would be a creation of understandment. A creation to make one see God "in full glory".



Another reasoning for that is:
(Ac) Was Satan really created for evil? Or for the sole purpose of God's 'glory', Satan was made to be the "anti"... a sort of transformation to create a balance.


And yet another reasoning:
(Ad) Satan... well, actually, Lucifer (to be more polite... XD) ... could have been created to test the humans... for what? Is the question...
(Ae) Afterall, if you simply answer that with: To choose between good and evil, you would then question why one would create something that has the possibility to fail? And would that not just prove that God's some kind of perverted ruler of the universe who enjoys creating things to watch? And only rewarding those He finds the most interesting?

Here's the argument for those questions in [Ae] :
[1a]God is perfect.
[1b]God made the Garden of Eden.
[1c]In the Garden of Eden there was the Tree of Knowledge.
[1d]Humans were the protectors of the Garden of Eden.
[1e]Satan tempted them.
[1f]They followed.
[1g]Humans ate from the Tree of Knowledge and have sinned.
[1h]Humans have sinned.

[1i]Well, in that case... for the possibility that the Tree of Knowledge to exist, God must have made it (unless if Satan made it, but that would still be indirectly creating it) .

[1j]Why would God create something forbidden from the humans and all other creations? What purpose would it have other to be eaten from or to test others?

[1k]If it was not meant to be eaten, then it must have been made to test. If it was made to test, then why?

[1l]Afterall, humans were perfect and did not know sin. How would they know what betrayal is when they don't know what is 'wrong' ? God must have forseen that Satan would have tricked them, and the possibility that humans would fall for it.

[1m]But why test? For what? There's no reason to test. Humans would have never disobeyed God, they didn't know what 'disobeying God' was!



BUT! If you look at that last statement (1m) , wouldn't you believe that God put the Tree of Knowledge there TO BE EATEN? So that they'd understand what wrong was? What disobeying was?

Some kind of sick joke it was to give humans a guilt trip when they had no idea what they were doing, right?



Anyways, onward with the argument...

Another way of perceiving this situation is the simple:
(A2) God made a mistake.

broken down in this manner

(Aaa) God is perfect.
(Aab) God cannot do evil.
(Aac) God created Lucifer.
(Aad) God created humans.
(Aae) Lucifer disobeyed God. The first to sin.
(Aaf) Lucifer tempted Adam and Eve.
(Aag) Adam and Eve disobeyed as well.
(Aah) Satan, Adam, and Eve are all now sinners.
(Aai) God has indirectly created sin.
(Aaj) God has indirectly caused evil (or the creation of it) .
(Aak) God is no longer perfect.

If you believe in [A2], then you're already done in this subject.


Time to get more complicated.
Next argument:

(A3) Satan is the alter ego of God.

(Aba)... imagine the Cross... on the top is The Father... then on the left and right are the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The Father being God.
The Son being Jesus.
The Holy Spirit being The Holy Spirit.

The Cross, to symbolize the Trinity. 3 beings, 1 God.
However, most people consider this as a contradiction, trying to make God fit the laws of space and time. However, since God has created those laws, they don't apply to Him and contradiction cannot exist.

(Abb)However...

Imagine, that the bottom stem represented: Satan.

Hard to believe? Well... let me continue...


(Abc)God is Perfect...
None can challenge Him in any way possible.
(Abd)God created all things Perfect.
Lucifer was Perfect.
(Abe)However, Lucifer seemed the 'best' of the angels.
An angel of 'unchallenged beauty'.
(Abf)Lucifer defied God.
Lucifer has done the unthinkable.


In [Abf] the statements are extremely powerful.
[2a] When I say Lucifer has done the unthinkable, I mean just that, THE UNTHINKABLE. (which would refer that angels have the possibility to THINK)
[2b] However, in this manner, angels couldn't in any way, have thought. They were Perfect creations of God, and God is Perfect.
[2c] To be created Perfect, means to be like God. Or in simpler terms: You are God. Not as a seperate, but as One with God. Thoughts, feelings, everything. Merely just in a seperate "body".
[2d] Angels cannot think. Because they are Perfect.
[2e] They are like the Tools of God. The Hands of God. To be Perfect, is to be One with God, for He is Perfect. And Perfect is God. To say "Perfection" is to say "God".
[2f] To be Perfect, you cannot think. You cannot seperate yourself from Perfect.

...

[2g] But... one did... 'he' was the first to THINK.


To help in the above statements of why "Perfection cannot Think" :
[2aa] To be Perfect is to Know All. How could one THINK, if one KNOWS?
[2ab] As an example...
- Cogito Ergo Sum... "I think therefore I am"... I know I exist, because once I say the words "I think"... something has to exist to THINK, and that existance is "I".
[2ac] You know you exist. You cannot think it. You know you do. When you question your existance, you are merely asking where is your origin.
[2ad] It's like asking "I am a dream... but who is sleeping to make me exist?"
[2ae] Imagine that "KNOWING" EVERYTHING AND NOTHING ALL AT ONCE IN ETERNITY AND OUT OF ETERNITY AND ETC ETC! Imagine, that you could define "Etc" (everything else) in just existing!

[2af]Meaning: You KNOW EVERYTHING, but you MORE THAN EVERYTHING. Meaning you even KNOW what NOTHING is, and the NOTHINGNESS in everything as well! Omniscient! All-knowing.

[2ag] Do you know how you know all and nothing? Because you ARE everything and nothing! All at once! Because you are that existance!
[2ah] "Everything and Nothing think therefore Everything and Nothing am."
[2ai] Henceforth, God's all-too-cool quote "I AM". Because He is EVERYTHING AND NOTHING. ALPHA AND THE OMEGA.



Continuing where I left off:

(Abg) Satan has defied everything! To defy perfection!
(Abh) To defy perfection, Satan must be beyond/below perfection!
(Abi) How could God create an imperfection (definition being: Anything that is not perfect. ) ?


(Abj) Satan was not a mistake. Satan is not imperfection.

Just as God is Perfect.
Satan is the alter, co-existing not as a balance, but as God.

Satan is Perfect. In a different manner entirely.
God controls all, and Satan can control all as well.

(Abk) Imagine this:
The Tree of Knowledge, Sins, The 10 Commandments, Jesus, The Crucifixion, Everything.

All of it was because God made it so. Perfectly.

(Abl) But how could God have done it without Satan?

Do you see it yet?

SATAN IS GOD. Just the same as Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit!

God did not make a mistake.
God did not create sin.
For if God was everything and nothing, then sin would exist as well!
Satan had to exist, just the same as Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Afterall, how could God's Wrath be explained without the help of Satan?

If you take just ONE of them out of the picture, none of those would have happened!

(Abm) In this situation: God is either toying with us. Or God has a giant plan for all of us, even the damned.