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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

    i have nothing to say on the matter. alot of my friends have had sex before getting married. i will not be like them. i will wait to i find my true man then i will have sex. i look at most of my friends that have had sex alot of them broke up a month or two afterwords. you know what i mean. so its up to people if they wanna have sex or not. i will not be one of them.
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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by _gwenibe_ View Post
    Again 'ethics' is just something that humans made up. Marriage is just something that was made up. Who knows why. I know of two families were the parents aren't married - they are going fine.
    Ethics is something good and important that humans have made of, sorry but I wish not a world were people live not thinkin about ethics, not thinking about weather what they do is right and not offensive to other people... chaos would start then...
    Actually I'm not saying that people should get married, beig married is like proving that you truly love the person and are ready to be with him for the rest of your life. I'm just saying it's wrong to have sex with someone who means nothing for you, just to have pleasure and so it is that marige is the thing that proves you really do care about each other and it makes you the perfect partners in everything...

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    I'm not saying that ethics is wrong or we shouldn't have ethics or anything like that, I'm just saying that ethics just like marriage is human made. Not all sex before marriage is 'only for pleasure', or only between people who mean nothing for each other ( and even if it is so what?) Sex before or after marriage is the same thing. Marriage is not going to change anything. Infact I don't believe that marriage even matters to a relationship.

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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by _gwenibe_ View Post
    I'm not saying that ethics is wrong or we shouldn't have ethics or anything like that, I'm just saying that ethics just like marriage is human made. Not all sex before marriage is 'only for pleasure', or only between people who mean nothing for each other ( and even if it is so what?) Sex before or after marriage is the same thing. Marriage is not going to change anything. Infact I don't believe that marriage even matters to a relationship.
    I'm not saying it either... Actualy I completely agree with you (well... ok, when you get maried something does change- you'll think twice before deciding to separate), I just misunredstood you a little bit!

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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

    [QUOTE=_gwenibe_;487889]Well I agree with this. right and wrong is just something that humans made up, something we were taught. Other animals can learn right from wrong aswell. Training dogs is a clear example. Humans are animals. We are no different.

    Training dogs is NOT an example of them learning right from wrong. It is the dogs being taught the "reward system" - if I do this, then I will get rewarded. That is NOT right from wrong. Animals are not as intellegant as humans are. As one of my favorite comedians says "one of the marks of being intellegant is knowing that you can die. Animals don't have this capacity. If you stick a gunin a dogs face it doesn't beg for its life, it licks it!" God created humans to be superior to animals. Thats why he told Adam that he woudl have dominian over them. I still say that this argument makes no sense to me.

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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

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    Quote Originally Posted by _gwenibe_ View Post
    Well I agree with this. right and wrong is just something that humans made up, something we were taught. Other animals can learn right from wrong aswell. Training dogs is a clear example. Humans are animals. We are no different.

    Training dogs is NOT an example of them learning right from wrong. It is the dogs being taught the "reward system" - if I do this, then I will get rewarded. That is NOT right from wrong. Animals are not as intellegant as humans are. As one of my favorite comedians says "one of the marks of being intellegant is knowing that you can die. Animals don't have this capacity. If you stick a gunin a dogs face it doesn't beg for its life, it licks it!" God created humans to be superior to animals. Thats why he told Adam that he woudl have dominian over them. I still say that this argument makes no sense to me.
    It's off topic. It was merely an example that right and wrong is something that humans made up, just like marriage. And if you want to get complicated, I still do think it's an example of teaching a dog right from wrong in human terms...Sorry, but in my view, humans are just another species of animal, i'm not going to into why because off topic.

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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

    [QUOTE=MisMelS;488144]
    Quote Originally Posted by _gwenibe_ View Post
    Well I agree with this. right and wrong is just something that humans made up, something we were taught. Other animals can learn right from wrong aswell. Training dogs is a clear example. Humans are animals. We are no different.

    Training dogs is NOT an example of them learning right from wrong. It is the dogs being taught the "reward system" - if I do this, then I will get rewarded. That is NOT right from wrong. Animals are not as intellegant as humans are. As one of my favorite comedians says "one of the marks of being intellegant is knowing that you can die. Animals don't have this capacity. If you stick a gunin a dogs face it doesn't beg for its life, it licks it!" God created humans to be superior to animals. Thats why he told Adam that he woudl have dominian over them. I still say that this argument makes no sense to me.
    I think you failed to completely understand what Gwenbie was trying to say. It is a little thing called conditioning. You can condition a human just like any animal. The reward system isn't the only system out there, and considering we are human beings..it can actually be proven easier to condition us with our intelligence on certain occasions. Just because we are intelligent doesn't mean that fact can't harm us in some way. This isn't off topic since it involves human development and can somehow strengthen what you are talking about Gwen.

    Humans are like a sponge and from the moment they are born, they learn and soak up everything around them. Animals can still learn harm just like humans, but the difference is that usually when harm is brought to them..they die.

    "Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own specialized world to bring them up in, and I'll guarentee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select-doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant chief and, yes, even a beggar man, and thief, regardless of his talents, penchants, tendencies, abilities, vocations, and race" - (John B. Watson: Behaviorism, 1924.

    Relate this quote to what Gwenibe stated in the previous post and you might be able to complete this mental rubix cube. Unlike animals with a fixed environment, humans rule the world. They are at the top and have the intelligence to choose what they want. Take away that environment and a human could easily be brought down to the level of an animal. You could consider free will, location, religion, and society as hindering a human being.

    Where you are can determine what you believe it and what you do. If Catholism rules and there is none other, Catholism usually becomes your religion if you don't have a choice. It is pretty simple to understand when you look at history from a view point that isn't consumed by religious banter or personal beliefs. The ancient religions are mostly gone why? Christianity pretty much wiped them off the map. When the Romans decided to make Christianity the main religion, all others were either banned or disassembled altogether.

    Look at Aristotle and telling how the earth revolved around the sun, not the other way around. He was put under house arrest for almost the remainder of his life because he went against the church. During that time they usually beheaded you out front on the church lawn if you did that, but since he was of great importance he got off light. Len mentioned in some post in some thread how in the bible it stated that the earth was flat so that god could control the four corners of the world. I think Columbus put a stop to that.

    There is a reason why science and religion broke away from each other at those times and it was mainly because those science men found the church to be full of crap.

    Hells picture that we see today is no where close to what we had first pictured it. In the bible it clearly stated that hell was a place for those to be held out of God's light and grace. There was no devil, fire, or brimstone. We decided to switch that up over time, thinking that with cold darkness came dark blue/black, taking the devil from the greek Hades, and the picture we know today of hell actually originated from Dante's poem "Dante's Inferno".

    Freewill is a romantic's ultimate theory and it isn't invincble. The only way you can truly experience freewill is first knowing what it is and what is around you. Take away a humans learning process and that so called "free will" and you can have that person walk down any path you choose. Hence religion, education, abilities, vocations, penchants, talents, and even race. That also kinda neglects and contradicts the illusion of freewill that most see today.

    If you take away all of those things or create an illusion of them, which is a form of what Gwenibe believes in, that so called argument(WHAT IS A DEBATE THEN?) makes perfect sense. You just have to be open minded and do a little research.

    I think this is why science decided to split from the church then! It is something like the fear of sins that slow humans down and disable us from fully understanding who we are or allow us to tap into our true selves.

    If this is too long, well..I don't care. Some people need it written out like a poptart manual so they can get the picture. If you can't understand or comprehend those "negative opinions" of others, what is the point of questioning them? You won't be able to figure it out anyways so give up.

    Just because we are humans and have intelligence doesn't mean jack. In the end we are a form of animal that can be conditioned with that same damn reward system like anythings else on this earth. If you can't figure it out from my examples, than take Psych 101. It can't get much simpler than this when stating another person's views.

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    Re: Sex Before Marriage

    for me, there's nothing wrong with having pre-marital sex.. as long as you think that you're ready to do it and , of course, with the one *you think* you love and both of you are responsible enough to face the consequences that may arise ( getting pregnant).

    i think this has nothing to do with the paren't wishes ( i mean no disrespect for my parents)... i mean parents told us since time immemorial that it's good to have sex after marriage and we know that parents want what is best for their children, but the decision still lies to you..to the person involved.. all parents can do is to provide their children information about sex and to remind them not to have sex until they are ready for it or they're old enough to do it.. because the more the parents tell their children that it's bad or it's not good to have sex, the more the child will rebel and get curious and have sex..

    if you're going to ask me, i have no qualms of having premarital sex, so long as i loved that person..that's my brain saying it... but if i based it on the values that was instilled to me, i would rather prefer to have sex after marriage....

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