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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride_Edward View Post
    The fetus or the unborn has also a right to live...It is on the Bill of Rights.
    At the time the US Constituion was signed, it was widely accepted that human life began at birth, as the medicial understanding of the time did not include the concept of 'conception'... And as a result of this, the majority of common law, (and even historic law dating back to the times of the Roman Empire) assume that human life begans at birth. And changing this definition is going to open up a real can a worms...

    As an example, for the sake of argument, let's assume that human life begins at conception, which makes the concept of abortion 'murder'... If abortion truely is 'murder', then wouldn't that make a miscarriage 'manslaughter'??? That would also make drinking while pregnant 'child endangerment' and smoking 'child abuse', and late night partying, or even having a stressful job 'child neglect'... So for those of you who argue that 'Life begans at conception', how do you propose to deal with logical application of law, and what kind of world are you trying to create for women? (grumble grumble grumble...)
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    go len miyata with the TRUTH see thats what i was tryin to portray i just didnt have the knowldege of how to say it
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    As an example, for the sake of argument, let's assume that human life begins at conception, which makes the concept of abortion 'murder'... If abortion truely is 'murder', then wouldn't that make a miscarriage 'manslaughter'??? That would also make drinking while pregnant 'child endangerment' and smoking 'child abuse', and late night partying, or even having a stressful job 'child neglect'... So for those of you who argue that 'Life begans at conception', how do you propose to deal with logical application of law, and what kind of world are you trying to create for women? (grumble grumble grumble...)

    Not really Len. It's all in the intent. In miscarriage, if it wasnt the womans fault. It wouldnt be a crime. If she induced the miscarriage, it be a different matter.


    That would also make drinking while pregnant 'child endangerment' and smoking 'child abuse', and late night partying, or even having a stressful job 'child neglect'...
    I believe those actions are child endangerment, child abuse, and child neglect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverskater145 View Post
    ... Abortion should only be allowed in special cases, otherwise it should be outlawed. The procedure is cruel and grotesque in nature, and can, and has harmed the women who do it, mentally and physically. The whole thing is a huge business for the doctors. I'd probably put my money on the fact that more than half of the women that go to abortion clinics are under 20 alone, and looking to correct a mistake they made.
    You could say the same thing about cosmetic surgery, though that would be the subject of a different thread topic... Though keep in mind that during the 1960s, when abortion was still outlawed, Abortion was a big business for the Mafia, running back alley abortion clinics for the poor, with many women scared for life, or dying because of botched medical practices... The rich would simply fly over to Europe to have a convenient 'miscarriage' in some medical clinic...


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    Not really Len. It's all in the intent. In miscarriage, if it wasnt the womans fault. It wouldnt be a crime. If she induced the miscarriage, it be a different matter.
    Now were actually getting into the legaleese here... The general definition of manslaughter is 'A Neglegent act that results in the unintended death of a human being', so running over a spouse for the insurance money would be murder, running over someone while driving drunk would be manslaughter...

    Which brings us to subject of miscarriages. Statistical studies have shown that increased job stress results in a measurable increase in the number of miscarriages... Now if the law states that the mother has to protect the life of the unborn fetus, continues working at a high stress job, and has a miscarriage, how can you prove it wasn't the stressful conditions that caused it... (And if that was the law, it would only be a matter of time until some up and coming District Attorney would try to make a political name for himself as the 'protector of the unborn' and bring charges in such a case...)
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    Which brings us to subject of miscarriages. Statistical studies have shown that increased job stress results in a measurable increase in the number of miscarriages... Now if the law states that the mother has to protect the life of the unborn fetus, continues working at a high stress job, and has a miscarriage, how can you prove it wasn't the stressful conditions that caused it... (And if that was the law, it would only be a matter of time until some up and coming District Attorney would try to make a political name for himself as the 'protector of the unborn' and bring charges in such a case...)
    If a lawyer was to make a case for that, he would have to prove the mother knew this(Stress hurts the baby), but continued anyway. Showing a disregard for the childs well being. Might be hard to win in that one. She can always claim ignorance, and say she wasnt aware of this.

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    plain and simple u cant rob her of her freedoms its not murder its not hurting anyone is it no i didnt think so abortion is a choice nothing the mother does not want to do evereyone needs to understand that it cant b murder for 2 reasons

    1.) it would b a infraction on the mothers life if it is a miscarriage

    2.) its not murder until the child is actully born into this world regardless of what or contrary to what u may think....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LenMiyata View Post
    You could say the same thing about cosmetic surgery, though that would be the subject of a different thread topic...
    I understand where you are coming from Len, but cosmetic surgery is too much of a different entity altogether. Yes, some comsetic procedures are a little iffy. Yes, women are physically and mentally. And yes, many of them are young.

    However, comsetic surgery and abortions are similar, but different. Comestic Surgery is a women's own decision to harm herself. In an abortion, a life is taken unjustly without the representation of the life being taken. Sure, it's the mother's baby, but that doesn't justify it. Even then, most younger women only go through abortions due to their age, and situation.

    In the end, I think it'll come down to wether or not the baby is alive at the abortion stage, but I think that most doctors will say it is. Remember, it's not just conception, Len. Although the baby is not ready to be born yet, it doesn't mean that it is not alive. Most will say that human life even starts before conception. I think, eventually it will be outlawed.

    "Human life: This is any living entity that has DNA from the species homo sapiens. 9 This includes an ovum, spermatozoon, zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn. "

    Something else that is interesting... taken from abortionfacts.com:

    "Title X, the U.S. federal family planning program which has expended billions of dollars giving contraceptives to teenagers over the last three decades, has proven to be a colossal failure. Wherever its clinics have been established, an intense campaign has been launched to teach contraceptive use to unmarried teens. The result? The pregnancy rate has gone up. The sexually transmitted disease has gone up. The abortion rate has gone up. The age of first sexual encounter is younger. Planned Parenthood has reported that 60% of women getting abortions had used contraceptives the month they became pregnant (Chapter 35)."



    Quote Originally Posted by LenMiyata View Post
    Though keep in mind that during the 1960s, when abortion was still outlawed, Abortion was a big business for the Mafia, running back alley abortion clinics for the poor, with many women scared for life, or dying because of botched medical practices... The rich would simply fly over to Europe to have a convenient 'miscarriage' in some medical clinic...
    It doesn't surprise me. People do all sorts of things to be able to have what is illegal. It's irrelevant, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naruto1988
    plain and simple u cant rob her of her freedoms its not murder its not hurting anyone is it no i didnt think so abortion is a choice nothing the mother does not want to do evereyone needs to understand that it cant b murder for 2 reasons

    1.) it would b a infraction on the mothers life if it is a miscarriage

    2.) its not murder until the child is actully born into this world regardless of what or contrary to what u may think....
    1. What is it with you guys and this miscarriage talk. You guys mention it as if it happens every single time. Miscarriages and death will happen regardless of what is said of abortion.

    2. That's debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverskater145 View Post
    ... However, comsetic surgery and abortions are similar, but different. Comestic Surgery is a women's own decision to harm herself. In an abortion, a life is taken unjustly without the representation of the life being taken. Sure, it's the mother's baby, but that doesn't justify it. Even then, most younger women only go through abortions due to their age, and situation.
    This does bring up the concept that it is 'unjust' to take the life of a fetus... why? because human life is sacred??? You are correct that life and death occurs regardless of the issue of abortion. But society has already decided that the unjust taking of human life is acceptable if the the benefits are deemed desirable enough...

    Take for example the automobile industry. despite the countless numbers of innocent lives taken, and the number of people crippled every year, automobiles are still legal because the benefits of increased mobility and freedom are considered of greater value then the number of lives maimed or lost....

    So why shouldn't abortion be accepted by the same logical cost/benefit effects for society???
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