atomik_sprout

I was watching the news about four or five days ago, and they were talking about this group of people somewhere in California (I believe it was, like San Fransisco) that was protesting. Thier goal: To get the government to give illegal immigrants rights in the US.

Now, I personally don't agree with them. They're called illegal immigrants for a reason. There's a system you have to go through to be considered legal in this country. And they think that just because they spent a certain amount of time in this country that they should have automatic rights here in the US. Well, how do WE know that they actually spent that time here, if they came here without us knowing? If you don't go through the red tape, you shouldn't be trying to stay here for the rest of your life.

That's what I think at least. What about you?

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Chiefblackhammer

I believe everyone should have basic human rights when it comes to life and death issues in terms of hospital treatment but ultimately there should be fair treatment amongst all, citizens and aliens. Now I said FAIR that does not mean EQUAL. If I as a citizen pay for health care, insurance, taxes, etc… then I should receive the benefits due me for them, if I don’t then I shouldn’t receive the benefits from them.

If I go through the requirements to become a citizen I should be treated with the rights that come with being a citizen. If I don’t become a citizen then I have to accept the rules of the governing faction and accept what is dealt to me within the fairness of human rights.

The problem with their argument for “rights” is that they don’t want to do anything to earn those rights, pay taxes? Yeah right…pay for medical expenses? Nope. Give them to me for free and let the hard working tax paying citizen’s deal with the cost is the motto I hear and per my argument I see nothing FAIR about that. Thus I say, no no very much NO.

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lebasiara

I go with chiefblackhammer on this one... I think every human being deserve to have the rights of life and all that... however I don't think that illegal immigranst should have the same treatment as a legal immigrant or a citizen of the US.
it is just not fair.
I am an immigrant and I had to go to a looooong process to live and to reside here. I don't think that it is fair that someone that has broken the laws deserve to have the rights of those laws.....
Plus illegal ppl don't contribute when speaking of taxes and what not... the should learn that in this life the things cost and that it is not a free deal thing....

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Shu

id say no. they dont belong to the country, so why would they have rights? theyre illegal immigrants.

!The White Wolf

I feel illegal immigrants should get treated fairly by American citizens (afterall, they are human beings also). But unfortunately, they are illegal immigrants, meaning they do not have the papers to come here. I know how hard it is for people from other countries to get papers, so I understand why they flee and start working here. However, the reality is that they are not American citizens.

So what do I think? I'm confused. I know family members who aren't legal, and I know friends who aren't legal citizens.. so it is hard to make a conclusion on this matter. Well, I say "why not?" They already live here, and probably have lived here most of their lives. Even so. They put their children in schools, they payed for the taxes, they worked to help out the community.. so why shouldn't they get something in return after all they've done for the US? Papers do not mean anything. It is just a government thing. If they've helped out the US in one way or another, why should they be denied the rights of a United States citizen?

atomik_sprout

How can you say they paid taxes, when they can't even FILE taxes???

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!The White Wolf

I know people who aren't legal who pay taxes. I don't know how they did it, but they did.

There's also another way they can become "legal", but it's illegal to it. You pay an American citizen $6000 for them to marry you. Then Bam! You are legal. People do it.

LenMiyata

Grumble Grumble Grumble
Then what about the case of Tourist, or visitors on a business Trip??? Just because their not US citizens doesn't mean that they don't have rights...

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atomik_sprout

That's entirely different though. Tourists and visitors are exactly that--TOURISTS AND VISITORS. They don't live here, they don't have any type of residency here; they come here, do some sight-seeing, then they go home.

I never said they shouldn't have rights at all. I never ASKED if illegals shouldn't have any rights at all--after all we are human. But should they get rights as a US citizen?? I think not! That wouldn't be fair to those who had to bust ass to get here.

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gigi2005

Some VISITORS like business man have a house in the US even though they aren't US citezens, but those houses are mostly for tempery use it's cheaper to have a house insted of going to a hotel evrytime there in the US.
There is only one probleme whit having a house in the US, if your house in New York and you have business in San Francisco you stil have to go to a hotel.

Inuruto

I agree with White Wolf... I know some illegal immigrants & they do pay taxes (i.e. out of their checks) they might not file taxes, but u have legal citizens who don't pay taxes that is why u see ppl who owe on bad taxes to the I.R.S.... They come here not to take over but to better their lives for themselves & family... It is funny how ppl can have the illegal immigrants work for little of nothing then turn around & blame them for being in this country... I see it all the time. Have them fix up a broken down house for real estate & sell it for 100 of thousands & pay them less of what u would pay a US citizen... So they already go through the unfair stage in living here in America, so if they stayed here for many years & contribute to society & stuff (i.e. working) causing no problems then yes let them go through the process of becoming legal if u so say... But in my opinion they already was legal when they started working for someone & got paid pennies for many years just to try & better their lives... Isn't that the "American Dream" or is it just life..?