atomik_sprout

Believe me, I know exactly what you're talking about. But you're not gonna have a much better life if you just get deported right back to where you started.

If I were in that situation, I'd wait it out and go through it the legal way. Me personally, I can deal with hardship. Without hardship in life, a man has no character. Deal with what's goin' on until you can do it the legal way; that's what I say.

Besides, shouldn't people be concerned with maybe--I dunno--making things better in thier own country? Start a protest, a militia, something that would free you from the shackles of burden, oppression, poverty, or whatever the hell it may be you're trying to escape from. THEN, if all else fails, and your papers went through, you could come here.

That's the way I see it. Do it legal or don't do it at all, because what's the point of coming here only to get caught and sent back?

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Shodokan

You know for a very long time black people didn't have any rights. They were treated just like animals. And not giving illegal brown people the rights you give to everybody else is giving people permission to treat them like animals. Mexicans aren't animals they're human beings like you and me and they deserve to be treated like human beings. Giving them rights guarantees that they'll be respected as human beings. We don't need to repeat the mistakes of the past.

I remember another set of illegal immigrants. A few hundred years ago a group of people from Europe stole and occupied a land beloning to a nation of people.

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Abu Dhabi

^o^ ahaahahaaahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa! i'm sorry... that was funny...

anywho, people should have basic rights, that's obvious, the rift is how much rights they should have... personally, i think that if you're serious about living in the US, you should become a citizen, but if you just want to work and then later move back to your homeland, than just apply for a worker visa (one of the things i agreed with Bush on)

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Miroku4444

Yeah, but they weren't here illegally. They were forceably brought here, but not illegally.

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Shu

as i said, illegal immigrants are here illegally. hence the name. tourists are clearly here legally, so do deserve rights.

its a question of legality, people.

atomik_sprout

Let's not compare apples and oranges now.

I'm black (and white), and to be compared to Mexicans is kind of offensive (I'm not hatin' on Mexicans, in fact I love 'em). But, blacks were brought here not because they wanted to be here but because they had no choice in the matter.

Blacks were persecuted for centuries!! We had to earn civil rights. Now, I'm not saying that illegal mexicans are bad people, and I never said that no human should have basic rights. But you still have to do things the right way if you want to have the benefits you so badly desire.

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Shodokan

They were forcibly brought here but not illegally. Do you not see the irony in your statement? Anyway I'm not responsible for your lack of understanding.

The point I'm getting at is that the lack of rights justified white people treating black people as animals. And the lack of rights of illegal brown people gives people the right to treat them like animals.
Basic rights? You mean like the basic rights George Washington and the rest of the colonial terrorist said Britain didn't give them so they rebelled?

If you love Mexicans as much as you said. You need to realize 90 percent of Mexicans are descended from illegal ancestors. Alberto Gonzales the Attorney General is descended from illegal ancestors and it's not like I just said only one of a few who are.

Do things the right way? Let me tell you the story of one illegal immigrant. He came here illegally. He worked illegally at McDonald's too. He was one of those Mexican's when you ordered a hamburger he had no idea what you were saying. Now he speaks perfect English with just an accent and works as a computer programmer.

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atomik_sprout

What's your point?? I'm not hatin' on anyone, nor am I persecuting anyone. I never said that Mexicans can't be here, and I never said that they shouldn't either. I said that people should go about doin' things the right way. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of people just wandering in to our country without being proccessed first. And what does your McMexican workin' as a computer consultant have to do with this beside the fact that he's illegal??

Here's an idea: Go around and ask a bunch of random people--regardless of thier ethnic background--and ask the same question that started this thread. I can guarantee you that you will hear just about the same answer from almost each person. The same answer that has been posted by almost everyone who's participated in this thread. It's not just me that thinks that this country has immigration rules for a reason.

And leave the white folk alone, man! Them takin' slaves and all that crap has been over for a long time. Almost 400 years or some crap like that. The only thing that I don't like about this country is the person who runs it. Everything else is all gravy. So if you're gonna use my thread to bash on white people, I suggest you go find yourself a nice racist fourm somewhere, kiddo.

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Xephon

Tourists and visitors are not illegal.

Also, this whole thing about taxes: paying taxes is not an excuse for asking for citizenship. You work here, you pay income tax. That's the tax to work in America, not to live in America. If they want to become citizen's that badly go through the system. It's there for a reason.

atomik_sprout

Thank you! That's what I was getting at! *stands up and claps*
You can't just come here and think that you can be a citizen just by working. And if separating families is the only issue of why people think illegals should have rights, well--I'm sorry--that's just too bad. With every action there is a reaction. With every misdeed there is a consequence.

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Soshi Kitai

Well actually, tourists and "visitors" can get illegal.

Most times, they act like a tourist or visitor and then find their family connections here to get them a house and they start to live here. It's actually EXTREMELY common. I'm not sure people know how common it is unless you're related to them.


In my opinion... illegal immigrants should have basic rights. Until they receive citizenship (by working hard of course), they should stick to basic rights... trust me, anymore rights and they'll cheat the citizens out of a lot of things.
You think that all these illegal immigrants got their houses the hard way? Psh, the previous illegal immigrants take over neighborhoods to make a home for themselves and new coming illegal immigrants.

O_o It gets quite bothersome to know that nice looking neighborhoods turned into a trash heap in just one year because some illegal immigrants used their "neighborhood tactics" to scare off "white people" from the neighborhood.

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