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america is not really a free country the difference is tourists come with passports and they come on planes illegal immigrants come over fences or hidden in cargo it just matters if the guy comes and he does everything a normal us citizen would do ex. pay taxes then they should get rights
but if your a illegal immigrant and you just came to america to commit crimes and break the law i doubt you deserve anything

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Shodokan

The Mexican people you said you liked so much are descended from people "just wandering in to our country" Do you think illegal Mexicans like coming here illegally?
If they could immigrate here legally and become a citizen they would. Do you know how long the line is in the immigration office in San Francisco is? My point is that illegal Mexicans help our economy greatly.

It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks. They're still wrong.

Slavery has been going on for almost 400 years. My great great grandfather was a slave for christ sakes. All slaves were freed by 1865 during the American Civil War, by Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Anyway the point of this thread isn't to talk about white people.

It's to talk about illegal brown people. I have a feeling your not talking about people who come over here from France and over stay their visa. I guess Anime Online is a racist site according to you because you made a thread bashing brown people.

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Miroku4444

Slavery has nothing to do with this subject. Let the past rest in peace. This is about illegal immigrants, not slavery. So what it takes a long time thats life, it still doesnt excuse coming here illegally. It takes some ppl forever to save up money. Should they rob a bank?

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Rights and freedom(s).

Rights are something that is given to you and or earned, not something that you are born with such as freedom(s). They can be taken away quite easily and at any given moment by those who have the power and choose to do so.

The concept and general agreement made by/for the people is pretty blurry and confusing; not too mention that the agreement is extremely brittle as well.

Whatever rights are given to the people of one country vary compared to those given to the people of another. Whichever country these citizens live within, they tend to agree with the process and accept them as their own, but, as I have said, they vary and not everyone agrees with the rights unfamiliar to them. If they are unfamiliar to them, they probably don't even know and ignorance usually isn't an acceptable excuse.

Illegal immigrants have broken our laws and have crossed into our borders without invitation; not many countries stand aside for that or allow it. They keep their freedom(s) given to them at birth and the basic rights given to a human being, but they have not yet earned/accepted the process in which they recieve the privalege to obtain most rights of an American citizen.

They arn't American citizens, so should not be classified as such nor be given the same treatment or rights as one. This may seem unfair, but it is how the world turns and works.

They can have their rights and basic freedoms, but they recieve 'their rights and freedom(s)' and can ponder any other questions on the bus ride back home.

Pyro Psycho

Hmmm......

They don't have a right to be here since it's all in the law. No one is going to stop them anyways until they get caught so I suppose let them be until they are taken out of the country. It's kinda sad when students are being immigrated at my school though. I have a lot of family that is from mexico so I don't know what to say about this.

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I think they should change the process for illigal immigrants, and not make it as long and impossible as it is. My friend has been here for over 15 years, and for 15 years she's been going through this process. Them making her do so many things over and over again, paying thousands of dollars. Its exhausting. And not everyone has the privelage of money, thats why there here, to be as privelaged as us. And we shouldnt make it so hard for them to have the right to pursue happiness.
But no i do not believe they should have rights, until they have earned it. By way of a milder process.

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atomik_sprout

I highly agree with you. If the proccess wasn't so damn long, we wouldn't have so many illegals here in the first place. ^_^ I think that the government can only handle so many applicants at a time though; so I can see why the system is the way it is.

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rukiasoulreaper

Illegal immigrants need to have some basic rights but unfortunately they aren't citizens of our country but need to be treated as people. Since everybody is an immigrant, if u think about it, except for the Native Americans.

Abu Dhabi

yeah, but the reason why the process is so long is so that the government is SURE that you're loyal to the country...

that's what being a citizen is! and if they're not willing to go through all the red tape to become a citizen, then they're not willing to be loyal to the country! i'll admitt, it's a hard process and it takes a long time.

but if it was short, than becoming a citizen wouldn't be such a big deal when it is! people would just spit at it and take it even more for granted then a lot already have! becoming a citizen shouldn't be just filling out a form, it should show that you are devoted to whatever country you're moving to!

a lot of people who come to the US aren't looking to live here, they want to make a lot of money and go back to their home country. So why would they want to be a citizen if they want to go back home in five or ten years? so it's not worth it to them anyway...

worker visas rule!

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There's currently debate and pending legislation in the state of Illinois about allowing illegal immigrant students to be eligible for state loans for college. Because citizenship status in not asked for, students who are not citizens or legal residents of the U.S. can attend public schools here, but it is currently required that one be a legal resident to obtain loans.

I think that any student who has the desire, motivation, and grades to attend college should be able to, regardless of their financial situation. On the other hand, some people worked hard and went through the arduous legal processes to become citizens, so giving the same perks to illegal immigrants is a slap in the face to them. Tough decision when it involves education.

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atomik_sprout

I do believe that's what student visas are for. >_<

I mean really, people get them all the time. Kids from India come here to get thier med degree then they go back home when their visa is expired. That's how it usually works. Just like Abu Dahbi said--Visas rock.

Worker visa--student visa... Who cares? If all you intend on doing is working/schooling then leaving, don't become a citizen, and don't sneak around hiding your illegal....ness, just get a visa.

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