Should Mandatory Drug Tests For Students Be Used? - Page 3

*Arrianna* · Jan 28, 2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Descended From Darkness

Last I checked I live in the US. I don't know what country you're living in. But I don't blame the kids for doing the drugs. I know kids who do it and I don't blame them.

Then you have no cause to complain if the school does a search.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Descended From Darkness

Last I checked Arrianna you home-school your kids so how would you know what rights we get. The 4th amendment is a basic right that should be granted to EVERY citizen whether they are a student or not.

Well:

I went through the public school system which is why I homeschool my children. The search procedures however is not one of my reasons.
I have friends of all ages including ones in public school.
I have cousins in the local system.
I have nephews in the public school system.

... need I go on?

You are not paying attention to what I said. You do have a 4th amendment right to "unreasonable" searches. By your own admittance there are drugs at your school. Therefore by the courts own standards of reasonable proof your school has justifiable cause. As I said before. "Don't like it? Get angry at the students that are giving them "reason". No reason = no search." You don't have a problem with drugs in your school? Don't complain when they look for them.

Lilium · Jan 28, 2008, 11:05 AM

she makes a very valad point i to have some cosins in still in school and there subject to randon drug tests and serches i dont like but like she said if no reason is given then there will be no search or test

Scourge · Jan 28, 2008, 12:32 PM

Its very simple consept to understand. If drugs are found at school and they have a valid reason to the randum searches then they are going to do it. If there is no drugs then they will not do it. When it comes to persanle proprty is when you need a warrent and concent forms and that is where the 4th amendment comes into play. The students dont own the school, they dont own the lockers, they dont own the books. Pluss, if they made an anouncment that there will be a drug search to the students, those who have the drugs will hide them off campuse or not bring it that day. Because when they search is over they bring the drugs back the next day and nothing has been accomplished. Or in the case of a test, the students wont show up. They are trying to keep every one safe. (This is not directed to any one persanly) So I say please stop complaining like a little child whos parents had stopped you or some one else from playing with fire.

Chiefblackhammer · Jan 28, 2008, 01:34 PM

I grew up playing sports and each year we had to take a physical and give a “sample”, it wasn’t a big deal to me and if it keeps children off the field that are a potential danger to not only themselves but the others as well, then good...not to mention remove cheaters.

As far as random sampling children in schools…I see no problems, Heck I know when I was growing up I would have loved for something to be done about those children who were high/stoned and in the same class as me. Not because I wanted them out but I happen to have cared enough about my fellow class mates to want to get them help, maybe some of them that died from Alcohol or drug related incidences would still be alive (For the record there were 22 of my friends which died before they were 21 because of various things, most stemmed from drugs or alcohol of some sort). And a drug problem is a bad thing for ALL children or really anyone for that matter.

Just my opinion.

*atomik_sprout* · Jan 28, 2008, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefblackhammer

I grew up playing sports and each year we had to take a physical and give a “sample”, it wasn’t a big deal to me and if it keeps children off the field that are a potential danger to not only themselves but the others as well, then good...not to mention remove cheaters.

As far as random sampling children in schools…I see no problems, Heck I know when I was growing up I would have loved for something to be done about those children who were high/stoned and in the same class as me. Not because I wanted them out but I happen to have cared enough about my fellow class mates to want to get them help, maybe some of them that died from Alcohol or drug related incidences would still be alive (For the record there were 22 of my friends which died before they were 21 because of various things, most stemmed from drugs or alcohol of some sort). And a drug problem is a bad thing for ALL children or really anyone for that matter.

Just my opinion.

Sports involvment is a valid reason for drug testing. Every school in the MPLS district enforces it for you to remain on any sports team here. It's the only exception in the system. You cannot just randomly UA a student without first informing the parent. You can only search a student if you have probable cause--so random searches go out the window.

Privacy is a HUGE factor when speaking of school district activities. Like the whole Facebook ordeal. Those students were suspended for "drinking" but it wasn't on school grounds, nor was it during school hours. There's a limit to what you can do to students regarding their conduct. Outside the school, teachers have no control (which is why the incident is so controversial). No ON school grounds, you can't give a drug test to a student unless they've given you a good reason too. IE: Coming to class high, a mass of students speaking of your drug habits/dealing, dropping "evidence", etc...

Word of mouth can be a good enough reason to search a student, but definitely not to give one a UA. I've got a brother who had to go through the same thing just a week or two ago. When I was his age, I had to put up with the same sh*t. He got caught with a marijuana pipe at school (Yeah, I'm dissapointed) AND was accused of dealing drugs (not weed) in school. So, when I had to take him back to school and speak with his principal, I asked him, "What gave you the right to search my little brother? I understand you're doin' your job, and I appreciate it, but where was the probable cause? Did you search other students as well?" I found out that even though there were other students suspect, my brother was the only one searched. His mom and I thought it was pretty F'ed up, so we bitched to the school, they agreed to let him back, but I had to bring him there. Come to find out that they had caught the student who had blamed him for dealing and suspended THAT student for possesion during my bro's suspension. AND they're trying to charge him with distribution. (I bet my brother's happy).

There are things that the schools can and can't do. The problem is that nobody but superintendents know what those things are.

lebasiara · Jan 28, 2008, 06:54 PM

i am in total agreenment with the govt doing this. In my country is not yet a "requirement" but it is getting there and with that the schools are being "cleanned" bits by bits from drugs.
It is really sad to see kids getting drugs so early and IN THE SCHOOL!!! so I am happy that the govt is showing its concern for the students and is doing something.

Saionji · Feb 02, 2008, 09:43 PM

Doesn't matter to me, I don't do drugs, so it wouldn't bother me all that much.
But, That doesn't take away the fact that we have certain rights that shouldn't be violated, at least until we are 18 or older.

Lilium · Feb 06, 2008, 06:56 AM

it may not mater to most people but this is what is keeping our kids,siblings and other family members in school safe for now thats how we should look at it

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Scourge Otaku Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 464 Thanks: 112 Thanked 53 Times in 45 Posts Credits: 32,775	Re: Should Mandatory Drug Tests For Students Be Used? Its very simple consept to understand. If drugs are found at school and they have a valid reason to the randum searches then they are going to do it. If there is no drugs then they will not do it. When it comes to persanle proprty is when you need a warrent and concent forms and that is where the 4th amendment comes into play. The students dont own the school, they dont own the lockers, they dont own the books. Pluss, if they made an anouncment that there will be a drug search to the students, those who have the drugs will hide them off campuse or not bring it that day. Because when they search is over they bring the drugs back the next day and nothing has been accomplished. Or in the case of a test, the students wont show up. They are trying to keep every one safe. (This is not directed to any one persanly) So I say please stop complaining like a little child whos parents had stopped you or some one else from playing with fire.
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Chiefblackhammer Commander Ham Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 1,698 Thanks: 4 Thanked 33 Times in 30 Posts Credits: 26,341	Re: Should Mandatory Drug Tests For Students Be Used? I grew up playing sports and each year we had to take a physical and give a “sample”, it wasn’t a big deal to me and if it keeps children off the field that are a potential danger to not only themselves but the others as well, then good...not to mention remove cheaters. As far as random sampling children in schools…I see no problems, Heck I know when I was growing up I would have loved for something to be done about those children who were high/stoned and in the same class as me. Not because I wanted them out but I happen to have cared enough about my fellow class mates to want to get them help, maybe some of them that died from Alcohol or drug related incidences would still be alive (For the record there were 22 of my friends which died before they were 21 because of various things, most stemmed from drugs or alcohol of some sort). And a drug problem is a bad thing for ALL children or really anyone for that matter. Just my opinion. __________________ *BUY MY ANIME COLLECTION* \|Hammer's Blog\|\|~AnimeVector~\|\|Hammer's Poetry\|
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