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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    No, we are not just talking about mainstream Porn we are talking about porn in general, and yes, believe it or not communities can prohibit the sale of things you view in your own home by the Supreme Courts determination including "mainstream porn". All they have to do is determine it to be Obscene by "community standards" and it is no longer covered by the Constitution no matter what freedom you may try and claim under the first amendment.

    So yes, you are missing the point, repeatedly.

    BTW: Freedom of Expression (ACLU Briefing Paper Number 10) So all they have done is group the ones that address our ability to speak our mind about the government into one. Also according to the ACLU brief the forms of expression that are not protected by the First Amendment are: Fighting Words, Libel, Commercial Speech, and Obscenity. (It just keeps coming up doesn't it.)

    You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. Go back and look at my post. I wrote "Are you suggesting that communities can pass laws on what can or cannot be viewed in someone's home?" You replied with "believe it or not communities can prohibit the sale of things you view in your own home". You obviously read what I wrote too fast. I'm not talking about banning porn for sale. Communities CAN and HAVE banned things from being sold. What you CANNOT ban is something in the home being viewed in the privacy of the home. One major exception is child-porn, for reasons I've stated in previous posts.

    The reason I've separated "mainstream" porn and other forms, is because of the latent illegality of the acts being performed in the other non-mainstream varieties. They could/should/are banned from sale/distribution/viewing due to their very nature. However, "mainstream" porn - that which is feature-film length, written by "professional" writers, produced in a "professional" studio, with paid actors/actresses, filmed by unionized camera-operators, edited by "professional" editors, complete with original music scores, and distributed by "professional" marketing firms - falls into a different category and has NOT been deemed "obscene" by a vast majority of communities.

    You'll notice that at many convenience stores you can purchase a plethora of dirty magazines. You'll notice that in certain parts of certain towns, they have shops that cater to people wanted to buy porno mags, porno movies, sex toys, sexy garmets. In some of them, you can even pay to "sample" some porno movies in a private booth. Is all of this "obscene"? In my personal opinion - yes. In the eyes of the community who has set up the zoning laws to allow these shops to exist - no. Therefore, they exist and the porn industry stays thriving.

    You seem to not grasp that obscenity laws aren't in play here.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that you can't have prior restraint on speech. The Supreme Court has ruled that obscenity laws cannot be applied to the mere possession by individuals of obscene materials in the privacy of their home. The Supreme Court has generally applied the federal obscenity statutes to cases involving inter-state trafficking or foreign-importation of materials. And that the purported acts of "obscenity" must be in violation of the State law prohibiting specific acts to be depicted.


    Anyway, back to the original question of the thread - should pornography be banned? - then this would be a trick question that needs to be qualified. Child pornography should be banned. Animal pornography should be banned. So-called "amateur" pornography should be banned - for how do you have protections that the person being taped gave consent to be taped? But the "mainstream" pornography that I've already described at length - the "professionally" produced pornography - should not be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by PsiKnot View Post
    Uhm...I thought the thread was titled "Should pornography be banned?" I dont see where it specifies. I think we all know the history of porn in court and the current laws in place regarding porn. That isn't really debateable, laws simply are. Yes, intreptations differ but they still simply are. whether or not porn should be banned is the topic at hand.
    OK. Define pornography. That is where it gets tricky and how we got the "I know when I see it" ruling by courts. So, if we are to be all inclusive of everything that could be deemed "offensive" as categorize it as "pornography", then I say definitely NO because too much speech would be disallowed. In my opinion, you take the good with the bad. However, if you were to take only such events which expressly showed penetration and/or ejaculation, then I would say "ban it". In this case, you would not be limiting "art" - because you can still depict the imagery of the action of love-making along with the climax of love-making in such a way that is not so graphic, without losing the meaning of what you are showing. Like in 'R'-rated movies with love scenes.
    But the problem here is, do people have a right to produce a film that depicts sexual acts between two people? I don't have a problem with it so long as they don't market it publicly and don't offer it for public display. This is what a lot of communities have said, as well. There is a "market" for this material, but they shove it off to the side with special zoning laws, in order to keep it out of sight by people who do not want to accidentally come upon it.

    OK, too much rambling......
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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by dekester22 View Post
    You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. Go back and look at my post. I wrote "Are you suggesting that communities can pass laws on what can or cannot be viewed in someone's home?" You replied with "believe it or not communities can prohibit the sale of things you view in your own home". You obviously read what I wrote too fast. I'm not talking about banning porn for sale. Communities CAN and HAVE banned things from being sold. What you CANNOT ban is something in the home being viewed in the privacy of the home. One major exception is child-porn, for reasons I've stated in previous posts.
    You obviously assume that someone who does not agree with you is stupid. *smack* Get off your high horse for a moment and try to consider that I responded the way I did for a reason. When you talk about banning something what else are you discussing then the creation and sale of it? Otherwise you are not talking about banning but privacy rights. Your very response to me proved my point. Yes they can ban it, yes they have banned it, and if you purchase illegal materials it doesn't matter where you view it you can be charged for it.



    Now back to opinion, should they ban it? Heck yeah. Do you have any idea how hard it is to keep that crap away from my children these days? Not to mention the afore mentioned affect it is having on so many marriages. The basic building block of a stable society is a stable home and porn is one of the most destabilizing influences on the home in society today. If we want a stable society we had better do things that protect the family and children up to and including banning porn.
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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrianna View Post
    You obviously assume that someone who does not agree with you is stupid. *smack* Get off your high horse for a moment and try to consider that I responded the way I did for a reason. When you talk about banning something what else are you discussing then the creation and sale of it? Otherwise you are not talking about banning but privacy rights. Your very response to me proved my point. Yes they can ban it, yes they have banned it, and if you purchase illegal materials it doesn't matter where you view it you can be charged for it.



    Now back to opinion, should they ban it? Heck yeah. Do you have any idea how hard it is to keep that crap away from my children these days? Not to mention the afore mentioned affect it is having on so many marriages. The basic building block of a stable society is a stable home and porn is one of the most destabilizing influences on the home in society today. If we want a stable society we had better do things that protect the family and children up to and including banning porn.
    Arianna- Get off your high-horse, hun. You've responded to people as if they are stupid simply for disagreeing with you. I didn't call you stupid, don't put words in my mouth. I asked you to re-read what I posted because your response to me (you even quoted me) was slightly varied to what I actually wrote. You CAN ban things from public display. You CAN create something that isn't for sale. Would it be OK for someone to film a man and a woman engaged in graphic love-making and then distribute it for free to people to view in their homes? Or is it only wrong in your opinion if said film was SOLD to people to view in their homes?

    I, personally, don't like pornography made as easily acceptable as it is. I too have a child, though she's only 3 (almost 4), and before I know it she'll be surfing the net like a pro. My wife, a principal at an elementary school, has seen numerous cases of kids in her school with access to porn. This crap isn't right. However, I do believe that if an adult wants to watch it in the privacy of their home, they have the right to do it. And, by logical reason, if their is a right to view it, then there should be some allowances for people to make and sell that stuff to those consenting adults who want to watch it. I am all for PROFESSIONALLY produced porn that is NOT available for public display. I AM NOT in favor of any depictions of people forced to something against their will or while under the influence of drugs/alcohol. That kind of thing has other illegalities associated with it already.

    So, I think we are in agreement of personal opinion here, but we slide into disagreement when it comes to what people have the right to do. And if you ban "mainstream" porn from private citizens watching in the privacy of their homes, then you force the entire thing underground which will only lead to an increase in people doing things against their will.

    Professional porn actors/actresses have a safety blanket of knowing that their professional on-screen partners are tested and given results prior to filming. They are paid for their performances either the day of the filiming (if they aren't under contrat) or are paid a monthly salary (if they are under contract.) The camera operators are professional, unionized camera operators. The whole set-up is just like regular movie set set-ups. And the actors/actresses have a lot of control of what they do/don't do. If this professional atmosphere goes away because all porn is banned, then the actors/actresses lose all control of what they are doing. More people would be lured into the business by getting hooked on drugs. More people would agree to do things they wouldn't normally do on film because they would need the paycheck too desparately.

    I say - keep it professional, and keep taxing the profits! I'm all for capitalism...

    And, again, for the record, I don't think you're stupid and never have accused you of being stupid. I'm not one that's big on name-calling. I try to conduct myself with a little more decorum than that.

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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    Awwww..... how sweet. I'll just go ahead and say it porn is stupid, I'm stupid, your all stupid. So there, I'm the name caller. I will become jelous and angry if anyone moves in on my name calling territory.

    @Arrianna- Is the basic building block of our society really the home or has the economy become so important that laws that would protect family values, like banning porn, don't have a chance against money hungry politicians. Cause lets face it porn is a huge industry, and I'm sure it gererates alot of revanue. I'm sure some of that money is going to politics somewhere.

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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    I think we should just face it.... this world of ours thrives on "evil". Porn is just one of them. If we ban it, another one will just take its place. There isnt much we can really do about it.... unless we ban the free will of people. That is the only way to be rid of these things.. But then we would just end up with a dystopia of some sort.
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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsiKnot View Post
    @Arrianna- Is the basic building block of our society really the home or has the economy become so important that laws that would protect family values, like banning porn, don't have a chance against money hungry politicians. Cause lets face it porn is a huge industry, and I'm sure it gererates alot of revanue. I'm sure some of that money is going to politics somewhere.
    Believe it or not, yes. Enough studies have proven it and the monetary loss to the government in welfare and other services that incentive programs for marriage and marriage classes/therapy have been added as an attempt to stabilize the family units in the country. Statistically the additional money's spent will more then pay for themselves in a large tax income from now stable households. There is both your building block and monetary interest in one.

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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    Hmm...well. I know for a fact that many, many, many people look to porn for entertainment/personal purposes. I say it's their buisness. It's unethical and disgusting, sex should be something pure and only shared with the ones you love...Not made into disgusting animal behavior for humans. But ofcourse, that is my opinion. As to whether or not it should be banned... I don't think so... I mean, I'm not a porno supporter..I'm only in highschool and don't look to that crap, but whatever. Some people make a living being porno stars. Is it constructive? No. But it's just the way it goes in some cases. Pornography is gross, but lots of people like it. It's their buisness as to whether they watch it or not.

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    Re: Should pornography be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by abby724 View Post
    Eh? Porn be banned?... Sonna... Something like that...

    Oh well... Something like that... is impossible if the utilization of reproductive organs remains pleasurable. I do, however, oppose to pornoagraphy that is made without one's consent. Thinking about it, how I'd feel if that happened to me... makes me sick.

    Let's look deeper into porn, shall we? Why is it immoral? Because it brings pleasure to one? Is pleasure immoral, is it a sin? Why is pleasure a sin? Are we not worthy enough to feel pleasure? I can understand objections to it if it causes harm to anyone but focusing on the matter, porn is onsidered... taboo by western society because of the pleasure it brings one. Why is it that the deprivation of one's joys is so valued by society these days? What exactly is the value, if any, of being able to endure life stoically, without pleasures and to suffer, anyway? What makes it more valuable than pleasure?
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