Descended From Darkness

And what does giving them the death penalty solve? As far as I'm concerned you're still taking another one's life. In our society that is deemed wrong and inhumane. Everyone has a right to life, am I right? Then so do criminals. If you want them (the murderers) dead then you are no better than them in my book. What if that person was innocent? Should he still get death even though he is innocent?

And money could help. With money there very well could be the possibility of there being a better education system. Especially in places like Chicago and the inner cities.

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well in all honesty, perhaps hanging is too specific, at least for me. i personally wish the death penalty was enstated more often. Some people's actions have them deserve to die, and in all honesty, a man from 20000 or so BC said it best. "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth." Thank you Hammurabi.

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Might as well bring it back & why you at it why not bring back slavery to try & stop/scare blacks from doing" half the sh!t they do"... Or how bout' bring the holocaust back to get even with the Jews for "messing up Christianity & killing Jesus"... I know Robert Byrd & Mel Gibson love these ideas...

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Of course, the person who came up with the 'eye for an eye' concept in law also had doctors put to death if their patients died, builders to death if the houses fell down, then to decide if someone's guilty, they would put them through a Trial by Fire, and throw the accused into a lake to see if they'd drown.

I'd say the Code of Laws was probably the origin of the word flaw.

Now, if that big stone slab of harshness didn't work(If it did, wouldn't we be using it today?), why would anything less work?

Criminals who commit serious death-penalty inducing crimes aren't the smartest of people, and more importantly, they are not the most rational of people. And without rationale, they'll commit the crime regardless of consequences. I find it hard to believe anyone who'd commit a 25 year prison crime would sit there beforehand with a scale pondering "Pro: They'll be murdered. Con: Years in Prison +Me. Hmm...me musts figure out if its worth it... ", then make a calm decision in favor of pro.

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I haven't but my dad did. He made sure that I would never have to see or experience what went on there. That's why whenever we move my dad makes sure that we live in a nice neighborhood. So that I could live in a nice neighborhood and would never have to deal with those kinds of things. That's why he makes me save my money and other things. There is a method to his madness.

Now the problem with dropouts is that they don't care to go to school. They think that school is unecessary. The problem is that we need to get these lost souls to care again. Maybe reform the education system. If the kids were dropping out to work and help out their families, then I have no problem with that. My grandfather was a blue-collar worker (he's retired). He used to work on the railroad for 40 some-odd years. He was a hard worker. But if its because you hate school then you shouldn't be allowed to dropout. But that's just me.

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This is 100% correct and is a good exaple as why the death penalty should be brought back. Its not so much "an eye for an eyes" but rather because they are to damn dangerous to let live. For the most part, murderars who are let out of prisen end up going back and doing the same thing, which is killing people and then we have to go and look for them all over again. These kind of people there is no hope for and there for should be delt with, not put them in a time out for a life time.
Accidental dealths, as Atomic said with the builders and doctors, wouldnt face the dealth penalty if a building came down on some one and killing them, or if there was no way for the Dr. to save a pasiont or the surgery went bad and here is why, these are all unintenional dealths.
As for high school drop outs that ditch school do it because they think they are cool, because there are far to many videos and junk and music portraying that life as gangster or what ever will make them look cool or what ever crap they get out of it.
I had a friend who was killed by one of these people. She was one of a few friends I had at the time when I was in HS. But now I, nore her family or friends can never see her again. Tell me, is that cool? No! Its evil!!
If you are going to drop out of school, make sure they are for good reasons like Atomc said, if you need to help support your family is one of the few.

Luminous

I think a partial reason for this is because society shuns ex-convicts of serious crimes. Is a shop keeper going to hire someone who in the past has commited thievery? Probably not. Even if these ex-convicts have good intentions coming out of prison, they may be forced by circumstances to commit wrong acts again. Rather than a death penalty, I think we need to work more on assimilating ex-convicts back into positive influences on society. As it is now, in a lot of cases we are sending them back to commit crimes, but it's not entirely their fault in my opinion.

I think my point here has been a little misconstrued. What I was trying to say is that harsher and more brutal justice systems have been implemented plenty of times throughout history, and they hardly work any better.

I ask again, are we to murder whomever commits these executions? For they too are murderers, regardless of whether they're with the government or not.

And what of the vigilantes who will get the brilliant idea that it's all right to kill others as long as you percieve them to be 'bad people'?

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Inuruto

In my last post I don't know if anyone saw the sarcasm... Don't want any misunderstandings ^_^

N*e* ways I don't have a problem with the death penalty, but bringing back public hanging/lynching sounds a little absurd & a side bar fix of some real issues behind crime in general...

If the thought of your freedom being took &/or dying in confinement don't scare a person enough... you actually believe that hanging is going to slow down or put a stop to crime.??

Slave owners was hanging their slaves from running or with holding information & stuff like that & you believe that put a stop or slowed down things of that nature from happening.??

Yea' you might say that is different & all that, but they wanted to be free & have a better life in which they were willing to take that chance... Same mentality with most of these criminals other than the psychos (whatever crime they do is fun > type)...

Do you actually believe that hanging criminals will slow down crime.?? Really ask yourself

Now I am not siding with criminals or anything & I do believe in the death penalty, just not Flintstone methods...

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atomik_sprout

Time out is a good way of putting it, because when some of these cats get out of prison, they go directly back to doin' what they were in jail for in the first place.

Key phrase here: "HARDLY worked any better." With that being said, that means that if it hardly worked better, it still worked better, right? Right! So, what's the big deal. Stick with what works, that's what I say.

There's a very fine line between murder and execution. Most executions (not speaking of the side outside of law) are for justice. Anything in the name of justice is okay in my book. I look at it like this. We don't call people who are paid to put your dog "to sleep" killers, murderers or inhumane. We don't call exterminators muderers either. What's the difference between them and an executionist? There is none. An executionist is basically a human exterminator. They put people "to sleep". They're getting paid to do the same thing a human would do to any other animal, if need be.

It's not murder of murderers, it's wiping the slate clean of all that made it dirty in the first place. It's emptying our jail cells for the criminals who can be let out, due to smaller crimes. "He who kills by the sword shall also die by the sword." I read that in a bible once. "You must kill the spider in order to remove the cobweb" That's a Maltese proverb. My point is simply this: If it works, why not? I'm not the only one who thinks this way either. Go out and ask a bunch of random people you've never spoken with before and I bet 70% of them would say something similar to what Scourge and I said.

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