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Arrianna

The requests were coming from all levels of society except the upper elite running the country and from both inside and outside the country. Try thousands, plural, who could actually speak or were willing to risk their lives to do so. The other "99.9%" were not saying a word about not invading just the less then 1% who were lording it over, torturing, and raping the rest of the country. Funny thing is there were Iranians waiting on the border at the end of the push holding signs asking the US military to keep coming. Yes, they asked. It might have something to do with the fact that the US doesn't keep countries it wins wars with unlike others.


Speaking of others, China had a long history of demanding taxes from Tibet as well as reserving the right to determine the legitimacy of any successors to Tibet's rule. They had managed to get rid of them for a few years but then China was conquered by Communists and the government of Tibet, again, decided not to recognize the authority of the new government of China. SO China marched in and took control.... again. They also came in preaching about the joys of communism and how everyone was equal and no one owned more then anyone else at a time where the rulers of Tibet and the priesthood made the Medieval Catholic church before the Protestants separated from them look like pure little saints. If you weren't one of the elite you lived in utter and complete poverty while they lived fat and large dripping in riches and leisure living. For some reason communism was very appealing to the common people by comparison. As a result when attempts were made in the first decade or so to return the previous "rulers" into power all efforts were utter and miserable failures in spite of the large number of money and military equipment that was poured into it by "Allied" countries. Why? Because the common people would not support any attempts at insurrection and didn't want them back in complete control.

Again, "situations change". Communist China was welcomed initially as revolutionary hero's but now they are being asked to leave, again. I consider it more of a comment on communist China then anything else; reality rather then idealism. Somehow I doubt they are going to go anywhere though.

And it amuses me how little you know under the circumstances.

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Asian Guy

So you must have think coma is only used to separate thousand by all countries and did not know there are many countries who use coma to separate decimals while using dot to separate thousand

Are you still defending your big fat lies? I hope Chinese not reading what you said and then invade America because there are many American who want their own country to be invaded because they hate the lives and goverment there, especially because many of them want to live outside of America and to be a citizent of other country [ especially Japan ].

Are you still trying to defend your lies that Tibetan asking Chinese to storm Tibet to get ride of Dalai Lama around 50 years ago?

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_gwenibe_

Really, it doesn't matter how long Tibet been apart of china and who asked for what. The clear difference between China and America is that China is not a democracy like America is. The world knows that China has shocking human rights records and it's clear that Tibet no longer wants to be apart of China - that is why people are boycotting it and that's why we have all these protests.

Unfortunately in this not so perfect world - sports does mix with politics and we can see it in this Olympics. Also unfortunate for the Chinese, I have a feeling this Olympics is going to go down in history partly for the protests that's been happening.

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Asian Guy

Are you saying you support separatism ideology now? And are you want to say there are just less than 0,00001% of the world peoples who do do the boycotting?

I'm sure the olympic in China will be a success, there is no need to worry about those mindless peoples who mix sport with politics.

Back on not supporting, I think it is really better to boycot America since to this day they still invade Iraq. I'm not saying to boycot the sport event held in America since sport must never mixed with non sport stuff like politics, religion, skin colour or race but boycoting America on their product export and import.

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_gwenibe_

Is there anything wrong with a a country wanting to break off? It's been done around the world before, many peaceful, many not so peaceful.

The point that I was trying to make was that it doesn't really matter how long Tibet has being in Chinese control - is that the recent protests in Tibet clearly shows there is a group that don't want to be in Chinese control.

Are they mindless for using freedom of speech? I think not. (I do however disagree with them interrupting the torch relay, supporter of a more peaceful way to protest).

I honestly don't think Iraq has anything to do with this debate, mainly because America did 'Invade' but they are trying to create a democracy - as I've already said, China is not a democratic society - big difference there..(But then again the Iraq is a whole other debate XD)

as for a matter of boycotting products - I may have already stated it, but I do think that boycotting Chinese products is a better long term protest than boycotting the Olympics as has been already stated, what will happen after the Olympics?

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Asian Guy

Tibet is part of China mainland propince and not a country unlike Hongkong.

Tibet is not under China control, Tibet is one of China propince since hundreds year ago. Tibet declare independence as a country is what caused the Chinese to storm tibet around 50 years ago.

Freedom have limit, you can speak all you want but do not speak that cause negative effect. I'm sure in this room no member can speak that can insult other members.

Is it democracy to force other peoples to follow you? if Iraq want democray then they will make it without American invasion.

Yes if you want to boycot then do it to their products and not sport.

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Sazuka

Even though that's all you've been doing?

This is the debate and discuss section, not the argument section. I know that you're "proud to be Asian", good for you. But please don't tell the other members that they're wrong and pull statistics out of your ass, just so you can defend 'your people'. Show me a degree then perhaps I'll start believing you.

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Arrianna

You just failed at ever being taken seriously on any subject. In the future you may talk to the hand because nothing you say will matter one tiny little bit to me.

Exactly. No matter how welcome they were that has changed, a possible reason recently may be the Chinese government informing the priesthood that they couldn't choose the next Dalai Lama because they would be doing it instead. If China were a democracy or republic the matter would be simple but since China is an Elitist Totalitarian state unless their economy crumbles like the USSR did from both inside and outside pressures it is extremely unlikely that protests in Tibet will get them anything but dead. Since China is such a large super power in the world right now there isn't a whole lot other governments can do politically other then disapproving without risking serious damage to their economy. So the only thing left is for the citizens, most of us here, to decide if we are going to continue to support their government or boycott their events and/or products.

I myself have no intention in watching the Olympics this year due to the situation unlike usual also whenever possible I will buy non-Chinese made products. Yes it is a small thing but it is my choice and if enough people do it there will be a far greater effect then out government leaders shaking their fingers and telling the Chinese government that they have been naughty.

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Asian Guy

So from this dabate most of you in here believe Tibet is not one of Chinese province and is a country under Chinese control?

By the way, if you think someone saying you are making lies as an insulting thing then you are hopeless.

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ketaro

I want to point out that Tibet became an independent nation in 1911 after the fall of the Qing dynasty. Then, in 1949 when China became People's Republic of China invaded Tibet. So yes in a sense Tibet is under Chinese control.