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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    It's the lowest common denominator lebasiara.

    You can either have equality of opportunity or equality of results. Capitalism is equality of opportunity and Socialism is equality of results.

    The problem with equality of results is that since it is impossible to raise someone up who is unwilling to put in the effort or lacks the ability you have to go down to the lowest common denominator. What you end up with isn't everyone working together for the "common good" but those who are willing to be the lowest common denominator living off of the government. Everyone else then is punished if they want to do more in order to bring them down to that level.

    Imagine that someone tells you what you can buy, wear, say, and do and you have socialism.

    On top of that it is a system that lends it's self to corruption like few others. Someone has to be in charge of the distribution and in socialism those people have ALL the power. Power to control others and demand their actions at your whim. Now think about the kind of people attracted to that kind of power and how Socialism actually works will make more sense.

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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    ^ wow. You guys really know how to debate.

    Socialism could work but it's flawed.
    Socialism promotes quantity as opposed to quality and in many fields of study, services, etc. quality regardless of how much time it takes is key.
    Aside from that most normal people are competitive. If you take competition out of the work place there is no drive to actually do the job.

    That's my take.

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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    I mite also add, that we are seeing a lot of these Socialistic reforms with in our own state here in the US because of our current people in power who are pushing for a Socialistic state by any means necisary which is really scary. I have friends and family who live in Europe and they call and tell us to keep fighting against it because it will only lead to disaster.
    People think its bad now here in the US? Wait till the free healthcare and all that other Socialistic crap Obama wants for us, then things WILL be REALLY REALLY bad. But that gets us into a driffent topic with similar issues. Just though I would make a point on it.
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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    I mite also add, that we are seeing a lot of these Socialistic reforms with in our own state here in the US because of our current people in power who are pushing for a Socialistic state by any means necisary which is really scary. I have friends and family who live in Europe and they call and tell us to keep fighting against it because it will only lead to disaster.
    People think its bad now here in the US? Wait till the free healthcare and all that other Socialistic crap Obama wants for us, then things WILL be REALLY REALLY bad. But that gets us into a driffent topic with similar issues. Just though I would make a point on it.
    ok but think about this with free health care many poor people who really need it will be able to get it.
    I don't think the US will ever be fully socialistic but i think that some of these socialistic ideas are actually going to get this country better going I think.
    Ok let's take away the idea that the human race is going to ever think of others but themselves... that's the real world... sad but true. But in this reality it really wouldn't hurt to hel[p others even if it is only in few things like health and education...
    Think about this: how many families will benefit from having good free quality health services? families that all being healthy are more productive... this as well with education: education changes people, gives them tools to work in society to improve it and make it progress, if education (including college) is at the reach of everyone we get more educated people therefore we will get more production... so isn't that a good for the whole? and it is possible...
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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    I am just going to quot my self here on one of the points why that would be a very very very bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Socialism's free heath care for all. By far the biggest drain. A good example of this is Europe. Because health care is free, pharmacies and Dr's are EXSTREAMLY expensive to see. In many cases so expense that a normaly harmless desease or illness can suddenly become life threating simply because they are unable to get the right care they need. Not to mention the fact that the Gov. can take a look at you and say your life is not worth this X amount of money and basicly cut you off from any sort of medical help because of your chances of living is below an acceptable percent or because it only adds an exstra few months or years to your life (Time in which are very importent to you and your family and friends) but in the end condem you to death simply because they do not see the point in spending money on you.
    Also because of the lazy factor, Dr's will be less qualifide to treat individuals simply because there is no need to better them selves as a profecinal.
    It also drags the entire country down, not to mention it makes the entire population poor. As it is now, the health care from people who need it and the magority who mooch off of it is insainly high and struggling, make it universal free health care and it is utterly and completely unsistainable which is where you will see the jaw droppingly mind boggling high taxation on EVERYTHING. Every Socialistic country around the world who hase this is unable to sustain it, even the richest country in the world, the US, will not be able to sustain it. That should tell you exactly how bad of an idea that all is. Sure its all nice and dandy because you mean well, how ever it will be ABUSED by everyone and ruin the nation.
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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    Socialism would put too much power in a inefficient bureaucratic government that would compromise the whole point of the free world being able to live freely and compete in a global market. Americans are naturally distrustful of others handling their money.

    If you want a society that does not see money as God, then promote giving to charity. Rich and middle class people do give to charity that helps Cancer, AIDS victims, hurricane victims, endangered species and other countries where there is poverty.

    Socialism is too out there. I do like social security benefits, pensions, scholarships, grants, financial aid for college and 401ks. I also like gambling and buying lottery tickets.

    There are many ways to help a brother out without resorting to Socialism. I give to the Salvation Army, Arc Foundation, Veterans, and World Vision. Going from greed to giving can be good in an abundant Universe but the power of the purse should remain in the people's hands not a bureaucratic government.

    Your intention is good but people must find it in their hearts to give what they earn not be forced to it by the government. Over taxation, and angry people result if they cannot climb economically and have no choice where their money would be used if everything is ran by the government.

    I may understand unemployment benefits, disability, and social programs that help civil rights and illiteracy programs... but the strength of America lies in its people having mom and pop stores pursuing dreams because of passion not socialism.

    Americans have always been an inventive lot and thrive in its catchy commercial slogans for the dollar that reads "In God we Trust". (Not Govt. we trust)

    The masses will always want money to fuel their dreams birthing entrepreneurs that understand economics from walmart to 99 cent stores, Mcdonalds and Coke that operate worldwide. That is the american dream. Those that make big bucks are sometimes the most generous and give back to the community encouraging others that they could make it too in a capitalistic economy with the entrepreneurial spirit and a head for business and commercialism.

    Some might turn to socialism.. but Americans will protect to the death the right to compete in a capitalist society because they do not want anybody encroaching on their freedom and the free world. Economically, people do not want Govt. taking their money too much. In the end people should spend (or give) their hard earned money as they see fit. Charities and volunteers are still part of the picture... but operate out of their own free will. If you want good health care then give to charities that offer this service to the poor and homeless.

    Be a hero without depending on government.. (I watch Oprah). People give out of the kindness of their hearts to charities that give free beds, clothing, food, health care, toys, job palcement, skill education and other stuff. Just give.

    Don't rely on government programs and learn the ABCs of economics, and why wars are fought over this subject.

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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    I am just going to quot my self here on one of the points why that would be a very very very bad.


    It also drags the entire country down, not to mention it makes the entire population poor. As it is now, the health care from people who need it and the magority who mooch off of it is insainly high and struggling, make it universal free health care and it is utterly and completely unsistainable which is where you will see the jaw droppingly mind boggling high taxation on EVERYTHING. Every Socialistic country around the world who hase this is unable to sustain it, even the richest country in the world, the US, will not be able to sustain it. That should tell you exactly how bad of an idea that all is. Sure its all nice and dandy because you mean well, how ever it will be ABUSED by everyone and ruin the nation.
    I can tell for a fact that is not true... a country can sustain free health care... my country has that and it is doing pretty good and not everyone is poor, as a matter of fact it is fighting poverty. Costa Rica's health is universal and anyone can have it. The government controls the health care and until today it works good. people of all classes are treated equally and with no high bills to pay. My country has not fallen down for that and it as had it for more than 50 years now and my country is not as advanced in technology as the US and it doesn't have the amount of money the US has. The US can handle that, and no, the power is not in "one" person we have a democracy and until now it has gone over well...
    I think that people here is just afraid of trying a new thing is afraid of moving out of the comfort zone... moving out of the "we have done it this way and only this way is the correct"

    Until now it hasn't ruin Costa Rica, not everyone is poor and we are not having a totalitarian government... is not a perfect country but it hasn't been ruined by its universal health care... and that is a socialistic idea
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    Re: Socialism... is it really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by lebasiara View Post
    I can tell for a fact that is not true... a country can sustain free health care... my country has that and it is doing pretty good and not everyone is poor, as a matter of fact it is fighting poverty. Costa Rica's health is universal and anyone can have it. The government controls the health care and until today it works good. people of all classes are treated equally and with no high bills to pay. My country has not fallen down for that and it as had it for more than 50 years now...
    That is not strictly true. Costa Rica has the 4th highest inflation in Latin America at 9.30%. Over 16% of the populous is living in poverty, unemployment is at 5.5% (not to high), and government welfare costs are as high as in the Scandinavian countries. The standard of currency trades at 575$ or 710E (last checked) and inflation was only recently checked. Tourism is it's highest earner in foreign exchange totaling more then it's 3 main exports together, including coffee. Without the 2.2 billion that brings in it is entirely possible the whole thing would collapse. All that aside with your claim of 50 years? in 1980 the socialist programs brought things crashing down. Inflation, currency devaluation, soaring welfare costs, plunging value of your natural resources, that isn't doing well. Not until the last few years where in 2007 the government had it's first "budget surplus", sort of, there is still the debt both Nationally and Internationally.

    The real kicker? The only thing that has kept Costa Rica's economy flowing is tax breaks and other encouragement to, guess it... private enterprise.

    In other words you may have socialized medicine and a welfare state but your economy is pure capitalism. Now imagine how wealthy Costa Rica would be without the drain of welfare on it. Socialism would do just the opposite. Keep your welfare but remove the capitalist systems that are paying for it.

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