zeroenix

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So if you could use some periods and a dictionary next time it would be great. I think I understand what your trying to say...

So basicly what you are saying is that your religion is right and all others are only there because all of the so called how should I say... rebels didn't want to agree with your religion and made their own to be different? That is a common super riligious person for you. The world doesn't choose one religion because there are so many to chose from. Nobody knows who's right or wrong.

And I don't understand the problem? You have to look at it from an un-biased stand point in order to see it and you clearly can't do that. Look at other religions stand points. Why teach that things happen because of religion in the schools when only a percentage actually believe in the religion in the first place? You have to understand that the government is not dissalowing you to study your religious beliefs, it is simply trying to make education more comfortable for everyone.

And yes I know school has used religion in the past. But that was also a time where there less forien(spelling?) students in the American school system. Now there are a lot of people from a lot of countries and a lot of religious beliefs. The U.S. is trying to accomidate this. And I can't see the real problem?

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Miroku4444

Though by doing that you are offending the ppl that beleive in god like me. If you can't stand to just stand up and honor another belief, what does it say about yours. It ain't like hearing god in the pledge will convert you.

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Exoparadapsyphobia

Yes, and by including religion in schools you are offending people with other beliefs, so if there is no religion there is no offense to anyone except those few ilogical extremists. Why should people be forced to participate in a religious action that does not pertain to them just becuase people like you wish to be honored? I find that thinking to be very ilogical and against the term "free country", mind you we are a free contry to worship, but not to force our religious preferences onto others.

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zeroenix

Don't get me wrong your greatness kastelic4444(Not meant to be mean) I personally am not offended by using any religion in the school system. I have in fact been to many different church's to participate in my friends religious beliefs.(Christian, Catholic, and Morman.) I don't wish to offend anyone in any way. But the point is teach facts and facts that can be proven. If something is not able to be proven without a doubt by either science or religion, don't teach it. I aslo think that you should have religious subjects allowed in school. But main classes should have nothing to do with religion. It's a touch subject obviously. But everything in America is moving to be tailored to each individual. That way it has everyone's intrest in it without offending anyone else. And as you said. If you cant respect the fact that someone else does not believe in the same god as you and is offended by having those beliefs taught in school, than that also says the same of your beliefs. You have to keep an open mind and heart to others. Not to sound lame.

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Miroku4444

They really dont have to take part in it. They can just sit at their desk. Well it a no win situation. You say "including religion in schools you are offending people with other beliefs", and i say by removing stuff from it. Its like a slap in the face to my beliefs, so in turn im offended. How are we forcing it on others? No one says they have to stand and say the pledge.

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Exoparadapsyphobia

I beg to differ, how is neutrality a no-win situation? Also I believe I have already made a few very explanatory posts on why religious preferences should be taken out of schools, so I will use them as a reply. I am not sure which one works best so that is why I am including them both.

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My apologies if you do not find these adequate enough for you.

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kedar

Lol! World will be better off without ignorant people, and if all were to accept the impeccable truth: God is one!!!! Conflicts are brought about by one's own foolishness, not by religions and Gods. But, I know what you mean. ^_^

As to the main question, I firmly believe that it is important to hold importance in the Divine God in all aspects of life.

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Exoparadapsyphobia

Ah, good observation, however some religions are also the cause of ignorance -
So which are we better off without, the source of ignorance, or ignorance itself?

That is all I'm going to say about your post, though I would have more were it for how highly I think of you, oh wise monk.

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kedar

As to your first statement, I kind of agree, but you must realize that some religious texts are modified by humans, so that lead to ignorance, not the words of God.

Oh, the source of ignorance is one's own self, and to slay away one's own ignorance, self-realization must first be attained. ^_^ Change must be brought within, and each must seek way to bring their own change, without the help of others. Actually, all will be better off, if all were to attain salvation and enlightenment. lol. Anyway! This is going off topic, so let's lay it to rest.

Mind you, I won't be blinded by false flattery. Haha. Kidding. ^_^

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Exoparadapsyphobia

I know you said this is getting off topic but I just wanted to say I am very satisfied with your answer . And I assure you my flattery is most sincere . OK, I'm done now. Please find it within your heart to have mercy on me *bows*, oh wise one.

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KnightofNi

I have to disagree with allowing religion in schools. Though George Washington was a religious man, our country was not founded on Christianity alone nor was it the purpose, that is the reason why we have a separation of church and state, it is a middle ground so that the country can function. The first amendment guarantees your right to believe however you want to believe, but think about it this way. If we allow religion into the schools, then are you as a tax payer going to allow your tax dollars to be spent to host a class on every religion, it costs alot of money to run and pay for classes, so are you willing to pay for a class in Christianity, Buddism, Judaism, Shintoism, Daoism, Confuscision, Islam, Hinduism, Scientology(yes, it is a recognized religion thanks to the Clinton Administration hence it has tax exemption status), and any other religion that somebody feels in believing in. Also, what happens if you get offended, you have a right under the First Amendment to speak out against the school for not tolerating and accepting your religion, is your school and the system willing to face that battle. Its something that should be left to each individual family and not the school system. Schools should not be the only place where learning is going on, it should also be at home. Also, to have students learn about Jesus Christ is in itself a violation of the First Amendment as it is not guaranteeing that the student can believe what he wants; because the educators who have the correct knowledge and such are telling him what is right. In terms of facts, religion should never be used to prove facts, religion is a based on belief and therefore opinion of ones own person, you can use religion as your inspiration or your own drive, but when you present facts you cannot use the bible as such, because lets face it, can you really tell me straight faced that in 2000 years, the book has not been edited, changed, deleated or added information.

Instead of trying to put religion in schools, how about we do someting more constructive like paying for classes to teach children on how to read and write correctly, also lets first bridge the divide on math and science with the rest of the world, because lets face it, you can have all the bible's knowledge and it memorized word for word, but when you are in for a job interview with a technology company and the foreign born applicant knows how to do math, you will get skipped over, focus on the most important things, because we as a country SUCK at math and science; religion won't be able to help you then.

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