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Old Mar 16, 2006, 06:50 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

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some of these element by them selves are flammable but the majority of them are found in compounds and not sperately like water (1 oxygen, 2 hydrogen) which isn't very flammable.
Very much true…However when we breathe, large amounts of Nitrogen and smaller amounts of other gases such as Oxygen and Hydrogen. Now what happens is that those gases are stored in the lungs where the oxygen is separated from the other gases. The oxygen is passed into the blood and through the process the “used” oxygen (which is converted to Carbon Dioxide) along with the other gases are breathed back out.

Now during this process the gases remain in their gas form and are flammable. For Spontaneous Human Combustion to work it would have to start in the lungs as that is where a majority of the flammable materials which could be ignited are found, it is the central part of the body mass and covers enough of the human body to “melt” part if not the rest. Where oxygen become and is store (as well as abundantly found as) is when the oxygen is passed from the blood stream into the cells, where the oxygen is process, stored or passed back to the blood stream as Carbon Dioxide.

Cells (muscle, skin and fat) when they store it do store it as H20, which makes the average human adult about 55% water based. Now this is where the debate comes in and I will refer to KenX’s post for a very viable reason human combustion as you normally hear it does not exist, if (as I stated earlier) the human body does combust from the lung (only place possible) then the composition of the rest of the body is designed to put you out before there is total consumption (I still believe you would die, just not be a crispy critter).

KenX stated the exact temperature range to melt the entire body like what has been reported and since that isn’t a possibility as of yet, much less one to occur with the human body from the little trace amounts of found in the lungs, Spontaneous Human Combustion does not exist as it has been stated by some sources. I believe it could happen but would produce lethal but non-externally visible results.


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thats what i was thinking but chief think oxygen is flammable.I know that O2 is flammable but i do not belive that is what is in the human body.

Oh yeah i think he got that list from the frist ep of FMA i don't know if i trust it
To answer this no, hell no did I take this from FMA. I do not take anything from anime. If I state a scientific fact I will use a scientific source, only an idiot would use an anime show even if the data were accurate the source isn’t an authority in the field. I am not offended by what you said (as I am very logical and can see why you thought that) but just want to clarify. In fact I normally use several references just to ensure I am correct so here is where I pulled that:


http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...9210.An.r.html
http://fig.cox.miami.edu/~cmallery/1...e/elements.htm
http://web2.airmail.net/uthman/elements_of_body.html
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthi...dyelements.htm
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 09:45 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah This whole thread made me laugh.
Not in a mean way...I just found it funny is all.

Well now that I got that smartass spam remark out of the way.....

Eh, Well the reason I started laughing at first was becuase I was thinking of someone like concentrating on harnessing the energy and will power to start a combustion within themselves triggering a massive explotion...Hahah

Well now instead of nonsense from my thoughts...Seriously..I don't think it's possible really. I mean if you digest something that makes a chemical reaction and all that good stuff then well uh duh. But "SPONTANEOUS" I think not.
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

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Eh, Well the reason I started laughing at first was becuase I was thinking of someone like concentrating on harnessing the energy and will power to start a combustion within themselves triggering a massive explotion...Hahah
Like vegita did in DBZ. lol

I dont really believe in this, a myth to me.
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

And my response to disbelief is: Cops wish they were like you. ^_^;;

They hate getting these cases, they always say: "When we can't solve it, I don't even know why they called us."
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 04:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

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Very much true…However when we breathe, large amounts of Nitrogen and smaller amounts of other gases such as Oxygen and Hydrogen. Now what happens is that those gases are stored in the lungs where the oxygen is separated from the other gases. The oxygen is passed into the blood and through the process the “used” oxygen (which is converted to Carbon Dioxide) along with the other gases are breathed back out.

Now during this process the gases remain in their gas form and are flammable.
do you have a link were you can prove this^.Its a little hard for me to belive.
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Old Mar 16, 2006, 04:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

This link explains that the process I listed is correct.

http://www.free-training.com/osha/ppe/RESPIR/303.htm

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These delicate air sacs then transfer the oxygen that is in the air into your blood. At the same time the oxygen is being absorbed into your bloodstream, carbon dioxide is being transferred from your bloodstream into the air sacs.
This link explains what happens with the oxygen and carbon dioxide exchange in the lungs:

http://www.howstuffworks.com/lung2.htm

This link has a segment that speaks to the left over air and carbod dioxide. (can't go wrong with the magic school bus!)

http://www.microsoft.com/education/msbbody.mspx


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Air is a mix of nitrogen, oxygen, and a few other trace gases. After it passes through the lungs, carbon dioxide and other leftover gases exit.
If this is not sufficient let me know!
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

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Now during this process the gases remain in their gas form and are flammable.
this is more what i wanted to know about how are human body makes flammable gasses so far i haven't seen anything in any of the links that states that
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

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this is more what i wanted to know about how are human body makes flammable gasses so far i haven't seen anything in any of the links that states that
I never stated that the body made flammable gases. The flammable gas come from the air around us. The air that we breathe is comprised of mostly flammable gases and when we breathe it goes into the lungs and remains there until we exhale. Since air is comprised of the following:

http://mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm

Component Symbol Volume

Nitrogen 78.084% - flammable
Oxygen 20.947% - flammable
Argon 0.934% - non-flammable
Carbon Dioxide 0.033% - non-flammable
and some Rare Gases.

Most of which are again flammable and since they reside in the lungs until exhaled, my statement stands.
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

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I never stated that the body made flammable gases. The flammable gas come from the air around us. The air that we breathe is comprised of mostly flammable gases and when we breathe it goes into the lungs and remains there until we exhale. Since air is comprised of the following:

http://mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm

Component Symbol Volume

Nitrogen 78.084% - flammable
Oxygen 20.947% - flammable
Argon 0.934% - non-flammable
Carbon Dioxide 0.033% - non-flammable
and some Rare Gases.

Most of which are again flammable and since they reside in the lungs until exhaled, my statement stands.
well then why can't you blow out fire when you beath on a flame?
and if the air is so flammable then why doesn't it just burn up?
Mybe because all thoes elements togather are not flammable
which also makes me think that all of the elements combined that make up the human body are not flammable either
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well then why can't you blow out fire when you beath on a flame?
Because when you exhale there isn't enough of the flammable gases present to produce a flamethrower effect this is becuase our exhale is mostly Carbon Dioxide and Nitrogen which is not flammable.

(I must appologize, I previously listed Nitrogen as a flammable gas, it is NOT upon further research)

I understand that this greatly reduces the amount of flammable gases in your lungs however there is still more than enough Oxygen that is inhaled as well as that is stored in your lung's air sacs to support becoming a crispy critter on the inside.
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Re: Spontaneous Human Combustion

i dont know ... but that'll be cool to do that and like live.

i mean, do it on command.

walking fireballs.

that'll be actually really cool
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