teen pregnancy: right or wrong? - Page 4

*divine_punishment* · Aug 29, 2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nightboyz

I see what you mean even though the girl is barly 15 no child should have to go though the "hells" of child birth. A kid having a kid is just wrong. Wheath she wants the abortion or not, weath you think its she should or not have it she 15 and can't bare a child and you know it.

A kid shouldn't try to grow up too fast. It isn't the child's fault that she had sex with her boyfriend or was raped or molested. I've met the children who were born to rape survivors; they are some of the strongest people I know because their mothers chose them when they didn't have to. Furthermore, if it is between a girl and her boyfriend, why didn't they use protection?

nightboyz · Aug 29, 2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by divine_punishment

A kid shouldn't try to grow up too fast. It isn't the child's fault that she had sex with her boyfriend or was raped or molested. I've met the children who were born to rape survivors; they are some of the strongest people I know because their mothers chose them when they didn't have to. Furthermore, if it is between a girl and her boyfriend, why didn't they use protection?

I know what your talking about but at that age its seeing a 15 year old kid walk down the halls in high school with a new born,
why did they have sex in the first place,
uh dum teen hormons and failing in sex ed if you ask me!

*equinn* · Aug 29, 2007, 02:40 PM

ok well frist thing i dont belive in aborton.....its wrong....

but i donno if the woman is ready and can look after it ect and is very imture ect i belive they would make a good pernet

me myslef i cant wait to have kids of my own...as most know..
and im only 14/15
and if i got pergnet i would keep the baby not because i think its wrong but becase if i went a got knocked up it would be bad but if it was mine and my bf what ever it would be fine ( even tho it would be ketp ether way) and i would look after it and keep the child as good as i possabile could and i know i might not be abile to aford it but if i was still a teen i would be liveing a home and im sure as hell my mum ect would help me...
even tho my dad would maybe get really pissed this happend but still it cant be changed...

nightboyz · Aug 29, 2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by equinn

ok well frist thing i dont belive in aborton.....its wrong....

but i donno if the woman is ready and can look after it ect and is very imture ect i belive they would make a good pernet

me myslef i cant wait to have kids of my own...as most know..
and im only 14/15
and if i got pergnet i would keep the baby not because i think its wrong but becase if i went a got knocked up it would be bad but if it was mine and my bf what ever it would be fine ( even tho it would be ketp ether way) and i would look after it and keep the child as good as i possabile could and i know i might not be abile to aford it but if i was still a teen i would be liveing a home and im sure as hell my mum ect would help me...
even tho my dad would maybe get really pissed this happend but still it cant be changed...

Yeah i'v heard that before and your tune will change if you do have a kid at a young age. Im that old but being 21 dose give me some braging right, just live your life and have fun you wont get another childhood again.

All im saing having a kid at a young age will just take the rest of your life away. Being a parent is a full time job there will never be a break.

Mechazawa · Aug 29, 2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by divine_punishment

I happen to believe that life starts the second the sperm fertilizes the egg. The second of conception is the second life begins. I also believe that life is sacred from conception until death.

Well thats how you want to think and thats fine, I don't follow that way of thought. Even if I did think that life was automatic when the sperm and egg meet, its still the womans choice.

tsurara · Aug 29, 2007, 05:19 PM

Funny how people who won't "kill" days-old embryos persist in eating meat, killing mosquitos and believing that animals are soulless creatures designed to serve humans. I abhor the Judeo-Christian view of the concept of "life" as something sacred only to humans. If it's really killing you're against: then think of how ridiculously hypocritical you are the next time you grab a Big Mac or slap a mosquito.

I eat meat.
I kill mosquitos.
But I also think it's perfectly fine to "kill" a cluster of rapidly multiplying cells without consciousness, feeling or self-awareness.

I'd feel far guiltier squashing a spider or eating veal than having a first-trimester abortion.

But I'm one of the many smart enough to use protection in order NOT to get into that situation.

Mechazawa · Aug 29, 2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tsurara

Funny how people who won't "kill" days-old embryos persist in eating meat, killing mosquitos and believing that animals are soulless creatures designed to serve humans. I abhor the Judeo-Christian view of the concept of "life" as something sacred only to humans. If it's really killing you're against: then think of how ridiculously hypocritical you are the next time you grab a Big Mac or slap a mosquito.

I eat meat.
I kill mosquitos.
But I also think it's perfectly fine to "kill" a cluster of rapidly multiplying cells without consciousness, feeling or self-awareness.

I'd feel far guiltier squashing a spider or eating veal than having a first-trimester abortion.

But I'm one of the many smart enough to use protection in order NOT to get into that situation.

That's is so true, and even if you don't eat meat and you believe abortion is wrong/immoral. What about the twigs and grass your sucking down? Is that not killing a living thing as well? People are to caught up in what life is or isn't. When they should be thinking about their life, which there is no question about it's existence.

*Mr. K* · Aug 29, 2007, 07:29 PM

Its wrong, but I have no problem with the people it happens to. A few of my friends are knocked up as a Type. A pity yes, but it happens to the best of us.

And who is anyone to say ignore your [w]hormones.

If you get knocked up and can afford it, get rid of it, but it doesn't mean go on ****ing, and bumping out more~

I think Todays worlds mean to the youthful minds. You don't go pumping foods with hormones and hope the kids wont start 5 years before you did at having s*x.

Miroku4444 · Aug 29, 2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tsurara

Funny how people who won't "kill" days-old embryos persist in eating meat, killing mosquitoes and believing that animals are soulless creatures designed to serve humans. I abhor the Judeo-Christian view of the concept of "life" as something sacred only to humans. If it's really killing you're against: then think of how ridiculously hypocritical you are the next time you grab a Big Mac or slap a mosquito.

I eat meat.
I kill mosquitos.
But I also think it's perfectly fine to "kill" a cluster of rapidly multiplying cells without consciousness, feeling or self-awareness.

I'd feel far guiltier squashing a spider or eating veal than having a first-trimester abortion.

But I'm one of the many smart enough to use protection in order NOT to get into that situation.

Nice your comparing humans to insect, and animals. I think your forgetting that thoses rapidly multiplying cells turn into humans, not an animal or an insect.

tsurara · Aug 30, 2007, 01:31 AM

Humans ARE animals. That was rather the point.

The same religious train of thought that claims it is wrong to kill a clump of nonfeeling cells used to sacrifice birds and goats daily so that their God wouldn't smite them. Last I checked, a goat feels more at the instant of death than a clump of cells.

I believe it's perfectly fine to be against abortion PERSONALLY. But I think giving "guilt trips" over "taking the life of a living thing" is hypocritical as hell. We take the lives of living things every day and think nothing of it...

Either there's nothing wrong with taking life... Or there's something inherently wrong with the way humans approach the world with an inborn superiority complex. "Animals" feel the same pain, joy and pleasure as humans. Who is to say killing a cow for a hamburger isn't even more reprehensible than killing a clump of cells to ensure that a teenage girl can finish school and do something with her life?

*equinn* · Aug 30, 2007, 02:53 AM

@nightboyz....

i know all that and i love children and if they were my own it would be more... i ketp me wee cos ( for 2 weeks age 1) and it was one of the best 2 weeks ever ... and i cant wait to have have my own kid .... and im sure as hell wouldnt chnage my tune ^^

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equinn Ao's official cat girl~★ Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Emerald island (Eire) (Ireland) Posts: 1,680 Thanks: 11 Thanked 29 Times in 28 Posts Credits: 19,745	Re: teen pregnancy: right or wrong? ok well frist thing i dont belive in aborton.....its wrong.... but i donno if the woman is ready and can look after it ect and is very imture ect i belive they would make a good pernet me myslef i cant wait to have kids of my own...as most know.. and im only 14/15 and if i got pergnet i would keep the baby not because i think its wrong but becase if i went a got knocked up it would be bad but if it was mine and my bf what ever it would be fine ( even tho it would be ketp ether way) and i would look after it and keep the child as good as i possabile could and i know i might not be abile to aford it but if i was still a teen i would be liveing a home and im sure as hell my mum ect would help me... even tho my dad would maybe get really pissed this happend but still it cant be changed... __________________ Lizzie + Phil together for 8 months! and to be longer! WOOP! http://neko-panda.deviantart.com/
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tsurara anti-semantics Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shikoku Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 5 Thanked 81 Times in 55 Posts Credits: 61,124	Re: teen pregnancy: right or wrong? Funny how people who won't "kill" days-old embryos persist in eating meat, killing mosquitos and believing that animals are soulless creatures designed to serve humans. I abhor the Judeo-Christian view of the concept of "life" as something sacred only to humans. If it's really killing you're against: then think of how ridiculously hypocritical you are the next time you grab a Big Mac or slap a mosquito. I eat meat. I kill mosquitos. But I also think it's perfectly fine to "kill" a cluster of rapidly multiplying cells without consciousness, feeling or self-awareness. I'd feel far guiltier squashing a spider or eating veal than having a first-trimester abortion. But I'm one of the many smart enough to use protection in order NOT to get into that situation.
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Mr. K THUMBSUCKING ADDICTION Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Credits: 3,586	Re: teen pregnancy: right or wrong? Its wrong, but I have no problem with the people it happens to. A few of my friends are knocked up as a Type. A pity yes, but it happens to the best of us. And who is anyone to say ignore your [w]hormones. If you get knocked up and can afford it, get rid of it, but it doesn't mean go on ***ing, and bumping out more~ I think Todays worlds mean to the youthful minds. You don't go pumping foods with hormones and hope the kids wont start 5 years before you did at having sx. __________________ ≥°≤ [?] █▓▒░░▒▓█ [?] ≥°≤ ◕ ◡ ◕;;;;[?]
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tsurara anti-semantics Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shikoku Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 5 Thanked 81 Times in 55 Posts Credits: 61,124	Re: teen pregnancy: right or wrong? Humans ARE animals. That was rather the point. The same religious train of thought that claims it is wrong to kill a clump of nonfeeling cells used to sacrifice birds and goats daily so that their God wouldn't smite them. Last I checked, a goat feels more at the instant of death than a clump of cells. I believe it's perfectly fine to be against abortion PERSONALLY. But I think giving "guilt trips" over "taking the life of a living thing" is hypocritical as hell. We take the lives of living things every day and think nothing of it... Either there's nothing wrong with taking life... Or there's something inherently wrong with the way humans approach the world with an inborn superiority complex. "Animals" feel the same pain, joy and pleasure as humans. Who is to say killing a cow for a hamburger isn't even more reprehensible than killing a clump of cells to ensure that a teenage girl can finish school and do something with her life?
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equinn Ao's official cat girl~★ Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Emerald island (Eire) (Ireland) Posts: 1,680 Thanks: 11 Thanked 29 Times in 28 Posts Credits: 19,745	Re: teen pregnancy: right or wrong? @nightboyz.... i know all that and i love children and if they were my own it would be more... i ketp me wee cos ( for 2 weeks age 1) and it was one of the best 2 weeks ever ... and i cant wait to have have my own kid .... and im sure as hell wouldnt chnage my tune ^^ __________________ Lizzie + Phil together for 8 months! and to be longer! WOOP! http://neko-panda.deviantart.com/
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