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    True, they have a police force, but no military, at least not a well trained one, even with the help from the US provinding special traning to their sicurity forces are still poor because many lack any kind of motivation. I have talked to several marine family friends who have actually been there and seen the Iraqi sicurity force and they say.
    "They are a joke for the most part. Their over all police force is actualy show inishative but their military and sicurity forces are pitifull. Only about 1/4 of their forces have any drive."
    It has also been quoated by Iraqi police forces that they are very ill equiped, they have the drive and motivation but lack the tools needed to do their job properly.
    These are the words coming from the people who deal in that kind of thing, not a polition.
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    Re: U.S. Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Japan attacked the US completely unprovoced, and then a few days later Hitler declared war on the US before we declared war on Japan or Germany. So how is it that we went in to "strut our stuff" when we did not want to get involved in it in the first place, your remarks make no sense, that statement completely bafals me at the moment. Thats like you walking down the street and then some one comes up to you and punches you in the face and respond by knocking their lights out, so how is that "struting our stuff" when getting into a fight is in self defence?
    It's my opinion. My remarks do make sense, because we weren't completely neutral. Also FDR wanted to fight there's even mention that the second pearl harbor attack the one that got us into war FDR knew about, but he didn't warn about it. After all it was the way to get into the war he wanted to fight when the country itself wanted to remain neutral even though we really weren't, because of the "Lend Lease Act."

    I'm still doing research into this subject so I don't pretend to know everything these are just my opinion. Whether you disagree or agree I don't really care just respect my opinion, that's all I ask.

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    And I said that they made no sense to ME and that I found it befalling. So that was MY opinion on the matter and reasoning behind it.
    The whole "FDR knew it was coming" conspiracy I believe was BS. We DID know they were becoming more aggressive, how ever how could he have known that Japan was going to attack Pearl? Please tell how he could, at least one that I have not hurd before that can be easily dismissed.
    Also, knowing a nation is becoming more hostile and aggressive does not mean you know if, when, and where they will attack. Even say he did know and when they would attack it would be impossible for him to know where. Remember, even many of the Japanese personnel involved in the attack on Pearl didn't know about it till they were already at sea, and the Pacific Ocean is needless to say HUGE, you can easily hide something the size of the entire Japanese fleet there, even if it was five times larger, you still would not be able to find it easily.
    Also, the war with Japan had nothing to do with the war in Europe. Also, it is not uncommon for allied nation to be neutral but still give the other supplies.
    The attack on the US by Japan was unprovoked. Also, even before getting involved in Europe, Germany had sent saboteurs over to disrupt ship production along with other targets. How ever, some of their explosives failed to detonate because of the salt water, others were arrested.
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    I was just wondering what you guys thought about the military. weather were going the right thing by staying in Iraq and some of the other country were currently fighting in.

    I know that i'm probly susposed to be going yeah lets show them whos boss but, I belive we should be out of there now. I belive it was right to go in there when we were atacked in 2001 but now it's getting old. were throwing so much money into this that... well it's a wast. Please note that I had no thoughts on this subject untill today; I was told that I was deploying out there 2 month after my AIT trainting was done with. witch I will be leaving for on the 29th. Thank you for your time.
    I'm a 4 year Army vet.
    In most ways I disagree with us staying in a lot of the country's we have bases in. We have a reputation of leaving troops in every country we set foot in. We still have troops in Germany, Japan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Kuait and Korea and that's just that I know of. On the other hand, this has lead to very peaceful relations with most of these countries.

    As for staying in Iraq, it sucks but it is necessary to an extent and its our responsibility. We can't just leave them defenseless. However I disagree with leaving that many troops in country. I also disagree with those troops being used how they are. We are supposed to fight enemy's of the state not rebuild countries. There really needs to be more civilian/government participation.

    As for the war itself. I was there during the initial assault on the country. I was there when we took over and I was there when we found Saddam. I saw the look in there eyes before the bombings started. I saw the same look after they started. I saw former Iraqi military step in to help out along side our troops of there own free will using shitty equipment. Because of this I can't turn my back on the war. It was necessary and it did do some good.

    "The attack on the US by Japan was unprovoked."
    This is not true. It is merely what that teach us in school. Remember, Japanese history isn't a part of schooling in the U.S.. The attack was provoked. It just wasn't provoked during the war. We played a part in creating the government that ran that country during that war. It was our interference that caused that particular civil war thus creating the country. We basically sailed in and demanded that they reopen there borders to the world. This triggered an internal conflict that took down the samurai driven government in favor or something els that, for the record, they weren't happy with either. WW2 was a very dark version of someone going and getting shit faced on there 21rst birthday.

    I'm not saying I support any of there actions during the war. I just want it stated for the record that we started poking our fingers around in there lives and pushing them around long before ww2 ever started and if it wasn't for us they most likely would never have known WW2 ever happened.


    Try to remember that almost all history classes teach one side of the history. Its important that we take the time to look at both sides and study both histories before we start forming opinions.
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    I agree with much of what you say there LenfestAndrewP, except the part of pearl actually a provoked attack. Your mentioning a provocation that happened roughly 80+ years in between the US forcing Japan's doors open and to WWII. Remember though, Japan and the US in that time between got along rather well, even though there were internal conflict of the Japanes between the two different parties, not to mention that Japan was also our allie during WWI.
    Now I am not saying I agree of the US forcing Japans doors open to traid or the conflict that fallowed or anything like that, how ever when they were open, Japan benofited from it emensly, technologicly and economicly, it was only then that Japan was able to actually grow.
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    I didn't figure in WW1. That changes things. Still, I wonder what made Japan act the way they did during WW2.

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    The Samuri-ish parties in Japan at the time saw their country as becoming to reliant of other nations for resorces and thus saw them selves as becoming to weak and leaniant and being pushed around. They wanted to mimic Britian and their Emperialism at the time by taking other countries terratories for resorces. Sense the Philipeans were under the US at the time and other naighboring countries were colonies of either France or Britian, they then decided to attack China for several reasons. 1: China has tones of resorces. 2: Japan and China despised each other. Japan attacked China and was very succesfull. Now China and Japan did not get along but China did really nothing that would provoke an attack from Japan. This aggressive act caused Japan to have sanctions placed on them by limiting the amount of scrap metal, oil, and other trade goods that were being sent to Japan as to deture Japan from continuing their invation of main land China. This caused the Japanies to realise that if the US continued to hold these sanctions on them then Japans economy would suphocate because Japan has vertualy zero mineral resorces and it got to a point where Japan had vertualy no oil and were ripping nails from old building to continue their forces in China. How ever Japan iventually were able to take over oil rigs and mines in China to continue to fund their war effert. After their near suffocation, Japan looked to the US more and more like an advosary that was in their way of greatness even though the sanctions that was placed upon them was because of their aggression towards China which was an allie and a big trading partner of the US.
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    Re: U.S. Military

    Grumble Grumble Grumble

    Also, when the US imposed an oil embargo on Imperial Japan, that effectively left the Japanese Navy with only a 18 month supply of stockpiled fuel. (which forced their hand on what happened next...)

    Also during this period, even though the US claimed to be neutral in the wars in Europe and South East Asia, the US was active in providing arms shipments to both regions of the world.

    And Congress passed a special exception to the law that prevented US Army Officers from serving under a foreign power, so that experienced commissioned Army officers pilots could take multiple year leave of absence and fly US government provided state of the art fighter aircraft, (the shipment of which was escorted by a US Navy Heavy Cruiser,) under the flag of a foreign power to fight against Japan. (e.g. 'The Flying Tigers' mercenary group)
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