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    XD well i feel this is a very weird thread for me since i am from Iraq lol XD ...

    i hate war from all my heart , i hate blood i hate seeing tears ._. ... i am one of the people who dosen't agree to use force the military have been in Iraq how much umm really i don't know i don't know any more i got use to them seeing just like seeing someone i know ^^ ... they have been in Iraq for .. umm i think 7 years or more i don't know if they got out from Iraq they will go to another country i think that and i think they will go to Iran , as all of you know they got the nuclear just like us , didn't they say that we had one and there was nothing .... they didn't have to start all of this bloody war we had a great leader but the U.S didn't believe him when he said that we don't have anything that have to do with unclear but who see the power never see the path ... =^_^=
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    Re: U.S. Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Winning as in continueing our objective, which was to hunt down and kill terror operatives and their supporters which we have been doing very well for the most part. Yes, it is an idea and an emotion and can not be destroyed by conventional means, how ever it can be suppresed to the point that people in the area get sick of the terrorist and there for cut them off much like in areas of Pakastain where tribes and villiges are now taking a stand against Terrorist on their own and being supported. Now there will be those that harber them with out a doubt, but hopefully they will no longer be welcomed in most areas and thus relativly issolated. Yes they can blend into the crouds which makes it difficult physicly issolate them, but the concept, idea, and fealings for terror is issolatable (<- I have no idea if thats even a word).
    So, in other words, we can't win the war when you look at the target (terrorism), but the attempt to win that war still does some good since it eliminates how big of a problem terrorism is in the county's we fight in. Or does it? Yes we have given terrorists in Afghanistan no place to hide but at the same time we have increased the problem in Iraq. Either way, you make a good point.

    Last Rose: You may have gotten used to seeing my comrades around and I don't blame you. I was there when we took over that country back in 2003 (so about 6 1/2 years or so, we got there in March 2003) but its been a long time since I've dealt with anyone that talks like you just did. No offense intended. You should talk more in this thread. I feel its important to have the views of people who are actually involved. I can only speak for the first soldiers that set up there. Things have changed a lot and I can't speak for the soldiers currently in Iraq (except for what I hear from my sister) and I can't speak for the people who live there either.

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    XD well i feel this is a very weird thread for me since i am from Iraq lol XD ...

    i hate war from all my heart , i hate blood i hate seeing tears ._. ... i am one of the people who dosen't agree to use force the military have been in Iraq how much umm really i don't know i don't know any more i got use to them seeing just like seeing someone i know ^^ ... they have been in Iraq for .. umm i think 7 years or more i don't know if they got out from Iraq they will go to another country i think that and i think they will go to Iran , as all of you know they got the nuclear just like us , didn't they say that we had one and there was nothing .... they didn't have to start all of this bloody war we had a great leader but the U.S didn't believe him when he said that we don't have anything that have to do with unclear but who see the power never see the path ... =^_^=

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    Frozen Rose, I am glad you decided to join in on this. Now I will disagree that Saddam Hussen was a good leader, namely for all the attrosities he has commited and such and the constant disregard for the global Human right laws and crimes against Humanity. One of my friends Ahmed (I can never spell his name right nore can I even pronounce his last) came from Iraq and him and his family had to be smuggled out of Iraq and has told me some of the happeneings that whent on there. Any ways, the reason why we the US got involved in Iraq is because we believed they had Biological and chemical weapons which are illegal under the goneva convention. Expecialy in Saddams case where he used a mix of biological and chemical weapons upon the Curdish people in Northern Iraq as test subjects to test the weapons lethality, killing men, women, and children. This caused the UN to put sanctions on Iraq and for the UN weapons inspectors to document these weapons where ever found and demand that he dispose of them at once to make sure he never tries that again on any one or ever possibly sell them on the black market. Any ways skipping along, Saddam latter started kicking UN weapon inspector out of Iraq which is in violation of the UN crack down on Bio/chem weapons in Iraq and constantly demanded for the weapons inspectos to be let back in. All we got from him was the finger. He continued this for some time, easily enough time to rebuild his stock pile. The weapon inspectors he did let in were not aloud to do their job and couldn't get inside or even near his wearhouses and weapon plants. So as you can see from the perspective of the world community that this is looking very suspicies. Then the terrorist attacks on the US, my home country, this happens which puts us in a aggressivly deffesive possion. Later it was reported and confirmed that Saddom praised the attack on the US and continued to not allow UN weapon inspectors in. Not wanting to be caught off guard again and believeing that he possibly had bio/chem weapons which he could sell to the terrorist who would then use these weapons upon us, we attacked. And that is the reason why all of this got started. We later found out there were no bio/chem weapons. This greatly hurt our cause as every one was in agreemont that Saddom had these weapons and there were many countries telling us that he had them as well. Now, if Saddom let the UN weapons inspectors in and allow them to do their job to give proof that he had nothing to hide then we wouldnt even be in Iraq. So thats our side of the story on that.

    As always I greatly welcome to listen to those who have been and are from there as this way information can be shared and possibly create a much more clear picture of each persons perspective.
    Also because you are great to talk with reguardless of the topic.
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    Re: U.S. Military

    Quote Originally Posted by Scourge View Post
    Frozen Rose, I am glad you decided to join in on this. Now I will disagree that Saddam Hussen was a good leader, namely for all the attrosities he has commited and such and the constant disregard for the global Human right laws and crimes against Humanity. One of my friends Ahmed (I can never spell his name right nore can I even pronounce his last) came from Iraq and him and his family had to be smuggled out of Iraq and has told me some of the happeneings that whent on there. Any ways, the reason why we the US got involved in Iraq is because we believed they had Biological and chemical weapons which are illegal under the goneva convention. Expecialy in Saddams case where he used a mix of biological and chemical weapons upon the Curdish people in Northern Iraq as test subjects to test the weapons lethality, killing men, women, and children. This caused the UN to put sanctions on Iraq and for the UN weapons inspectors to document these weapons where ever found and demand that he dispose of them at once to make sure he never tries that again on any one or ever possibly sell them on the black market. Any ways skipping along, Saddam latter started kicking UN weapon inspector out of Iraq which is in violation of the UN crack down on Bio/chem weapons in Iraq and constantly demanded for the weapons inspectos to be let back in. All we got from him was the finger. He continued this for some time, easily enough time to rebuild his stock pile. The weapon inspectors he did let in were not aloud to do their job and couldn't get inside or even near his wearhouses and weapon plants. So as you can see from the perspective of the world community that this is looking very suspicies. Then the terrorist attacks on the US, my home country, this happens which puts us in a aggressivly deffesive possion. Later it was reported and confirmed that Saddom praised the attack on the US and continued to not allow UN weapon inspectors in. Not wanting to be caught off guard again and believeing that he possibly had bio/chem weapons which he could sell to the terrorist who would then use these weapons upon us, we attacked. And that is the reason why all of this got started. We later found out there were no bio/chem weapons. This greatly hurt our cause as every one was in agreemont that Saddom had these weapons and there were many countries telling us that he had them as well. Now, if Saddom let the UN weapons inspectors in and allow them to do their job to give proof that he had nothing to hide then we wouldnt even be in Iraq. So thats our side of the story on that.

    As always I greatly welcome to listen to those who have been and are from there as this way information can be shared and possibly create a much more clear picture of each persons perspective.
    Also because you are great to talk with reguardless of the topic.
    I kinda see where FrozenRoze is comin' from though. I wouldn't want someone pissin' in my backyard either. I can also see why Saddam wouldn't let UN inspectors in for the same reasons. I don't think he was tryin' to hide anything--BTW: Don't think I side with dictators or potential threats--but rather state that he was tired of people sh*tting on his stoop; so to speak. Either way, just because we were attacked by someone else--that gives us the right to kick in other people's doors? If I got jumped on the street, should I go and hang a different person in their own home?

    I think that's my main problem with our situation in Iraq. We started some beef with people who we just assumed would help those who attacked us and now we're stuck in a battle of biblical proportions. Granted we've had troops in Afghanistan for quite some time, shouldn't have more troops gone there rather than Iraq in the first place?


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    I understand where Frozen is comming from to Atomic, the thing is though the only reason why we had weapons inspecters there in the first place are for two reasons you are over looking. 1: The creating and the use of the bio/chem weapons on innocent people to comit mass genocide which the people of the world demanded that we do something about it. 2: The Gulf war where Iraq attempted to capture and controle Kuwate, which is an allie, not just to the US, but Briton, France, Germany, Japan, and damn near every one else. Its not like we slapped all those restrictions on him with out reason, we did it because he was being a real dic-of a-tator. I am not agruing the fact that we stepped in a big steaming foul smelling pile by getting involved with Iraq, how ever it could have been avoided if we knew he didn't have bio/chem weapons if he just let the weapon inspectors do their job.
    In advance, I am going to say this. Any one who takes the weapons inspector stance like atomic, here is my rebutal to it... Then he shouldnt have tried to conquer Kuwate, and he shouldnt have tried to commit mass genocide against the Curdish.

    This is what frustrats me with some people, many have COMPLETELY forgoten all the events and situations that led up to this or they completely ignore it.
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    Frozen Rose, I am glad you decided to join in on this. Now I will disagree that Saddam Hussen was a good leader, namely for all the attrosities he has commited and such and the constant disregard for the global Human right laws and crimes against Humanity. One of my friends Ahmed (I can never spell his name right nore can I even pronounce his last) came from Iraq and him and his family had to be smuggled out of Iraq and has told me some of the happeneings that whent on there. Any ways, the reason why we the US got involved in Iraq is because we believed they had Biological and chemical weapons which are illegal under the goneva convention. Expecialy in Saddams case where he used a mix of biological and chemical weapons upon the Curdish people in Northern Iraq as test subjects to test the weapons lethality, killing men, women, and children. This caused the UN to put sanctions on Iraq and for the UN weapons inspectors to document these weapons where ever found and demand that he dispose of them at once to make sure he never tries that again on any one or ever possibly sell them on the black market. Any ways skipping along, Saddam latter started kicking UN weapon inspector out of Iraq which is in violation of the UN crack down on Bio/chem weapons in Iraq and constantly demanded for the weapons inspectos to be let back in. All we got from him was the finger. He continued this for some time, easily enough time to rebuild his stock pile. The weapon inspectors he did let in were not aloud to do their job and couldn't get inside or even near his wearhouses and weapon plants. So as you can see from the perspective of the world community that this is looking very suspicies. Then the terrorist attacks on the US, my home country, this happens which puts us in a aggressivly deffesive possion. Later it was reported and confirmed that Saddom praised the attack on the US and continued to not allow UN weapon inspectors in. Not wanting to be caught off guard again and believeing that he possibly had bio/chem weapons which he could sell to the terrorist who would then use these weapons upon us, we attacked. And that is the reason why all of this got started. We later found out there were no bio/chem weapons. This greatly hurt our cause as every one was in agreemont that Saddom had these weapons and there were many countries telling us that he had them as well. Now, if Saddom let the UN weapons inspectors in and allow them to do their job to give proof that he had nothing to hide then we wouldnt even be in Iraq. So thats our side of the story on that.

    As always I greatly welcome to listen to those who have been and are from there as this way information can be shared and possibly create a much more clear picture of each persons perspective.
    Also because you are great to talk with reguardless of the topic.

    but after everything i find Sadam Hussein is some thing big in front of our president now , they just tell lies i know that Sadam have killed a lot of people but he had made us strong , but i don't agree with the strength on people's blood ... after all i don't want to know why this war started on what stupid reason people killed on what reason children became without a family on what reason , in Iraq there is a lot of oil is people killed because of that ... i don't know what to say really there is many things that we know and we don't know no one can know where greed stop ....

    after all this war i only think .... when it will stop when there will be some mercy something named kindness ._. , seem there is nothing like that ... most of my friends hate U.S but not me , not like i don't care what military did in here but what i can do i have to live with everything in this life i have to live with hate , pain everything and after everything there is one fact president love their self and money and power ... i don't know that Obama will do anything there is a fact that we all know military will never withdrew from Iraq , they just wait something big to happen so they can enter the Iraqi City's again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Rose View Post

    but after everything i find Sadam Hussein is some thing big in front of our president now , they just tell lies i know that Sadam have killed a lot of people but he had made us strong , but i don't agree with the strength on people's blood ... after all i don't want to know why this war started on what stupid reason people killed on what reason children became without a family on what reason , in Iraq there is a lot of oil is people killed because of that ... i don't know what to say really there is many things that we know and we don't know no one can know where greed stop ....

    after all this war i only think .... when it will stop when there will be some mercy something named kindness ._. , seem there is nothing like that ... most of my friends hate U.S but not me , not like i don't care what military did in here but what i can do i have to live with everything in this life i have to live with hate , pain everything and after everything there is one fact president love their self and money and power ... i don't know that Obama will do anything there is a fact that we all know military will never withdrew from Iraq , they just wait something big to happen so they can enter the Iraqi City's again
    I think we need to take a step back here. Look, we attacked Iraq, the reasons given for that attack were crap but I saw in their eyes that we did some good. I've talked to them and worked with them because they felt we were doing some good. But also try to understand Rose's point of view as well. When we took down their government we basically ran their country. A bunch of infantry ran their country. That is never a good thing and its always the locals that pay the price for that mistake. We have been their a long time and now they and the fighting has only gotten worse (like I said, we are on a leash and doing a job we are neither trained for or prepared for). They have a government but how many governments do you know that always have the people at heart and start off doing a great job? Most of our allies governments started are war mongrels.

    As for Saddam making Iraq stronger. He picked a fight with a country that had the support of the whole world and was lucky he only faced the U.S. in response. As a result he lost half your military. We attack a second time and well over half of whats left of your military lines up at the Kuwait border to turn themselves in before we even step foot in your country. Once we got the order to move in it took maybe 3 months to wide out all of what was left of your military even though they had plenty of time to prepare. My Battalion Task Force of over 1000 soldiers only lost one man during the shooting phase of the war. To top it off he gained the harsh attention of the entire world by doing things and creating things that almost every country on earth feels should never have existed in the first place. Are you really so sure he made your country stronger?

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