Peach_follows

I didn't coin the term. But its a commonly used one. Do you not understand what "Universal health care" is referring to? Because if you indeed understand what was MEANT when I said it (and when others say it), and you know its not sincerely "universal"... Then, why wouldn't you take the time to actually state an opinion on the matter? Instead of pointing out the obvious...

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LenMiyata

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And the question will come up on 'What Type' of universal health care, and what kind of rationing of health care. It would be foolish to spend tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands for experimental treatment that may (or may not) extend the life of a single patient for one or two years while having trouble coming up with preventative childhood vaccinations that could potentially save thousands by preventing a disease epidemic from happening...

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Scourge

Do I have to post the actual health care bill in here like I did in another thread so people can see all the crap thats inside of it and how bad of an idea it all is? You know what, I am going to do it any way reguradless, this way you guys can see for your self and I don't have to repeat my self like a broken recored and you can argue with the actual document.

This document contains basic translation of what it means, but take it as you will and compare it, if anything use the page numbers and such to find them in the bill, there are far more HC issues not coved by the first document as they are only highlights, to find the actual health care bill see the attached document HR3200 in blue at the top of the page.

http://www.lc.org/media/9980/attachm...ama_072909.pdf

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LenMiyata

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This document also dates from the end of July! Since the proposals for Obama's Health Care Proposal is in a constant state of flux, this document is too far out of date to be a useful reference...

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Brandon Grave Heat

Well what i ment by My other statment is that healcare so be free to all, But that is easy to say but if the goverment keeps taken a way programs to cover their on backs
or to be free of blame then what will happen when I am turn 65, I will have no Social seruity or no health care,

what is the point of getting older if one you can't enjoy it and two I can't retire or have good healthcare benifits?

LenMiyata

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You have to keep in mind that the US Social Security was never intended to be your sole means of retirement income. Social Security is suppose to be a SUPPLEMENT to your own retirement savings, but protected and guaranteed by the government to protect you from bank failures and stock market crashes...

Regardless of what the government does, you still have your personal responsibility to save up your retirement funds for the future...

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Scourge

Even so, the fact remains that this is the bill as it stands before they bring out with their new proposels which will in all likely hood going up in flames like it has so many times before. Also Len, the bill has been changing for decades and its still a pial of crap. Untill the new one comes out we have nothing to go by other then this one which they are still pushing very hard for. Now you have stated as to the fact that you don't understand how people can be against a bill that is being changed, how ever I question as to how you can support something that is being changed that the both of us are unsure of whats going to be added, changed, or removed. If thats the case then we wouldnt be in this argument do to the fact that we can't argure on something thats being in flux either pro. or against. I agree that something needs to be done, how ever I believe the Gov. shouldnt not have control while you are wanting Gov. control.

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LenMiyata

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But with examples of this kind of behavior, do you truly expect that private industry can solve this problem???
Canceled policies: Insurers cite fraud control - Washington Post- msnbc.com

Private industry had their chance to show they could solve the problem. And no government mandate is forcing the insurance companies to act this way... The results speak for themselves...

And this is about as close as your going to find as far as the updated Health Care Overhaul proposal goes...
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...0Framework.pdf

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