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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    Yes MAD is has always been the largest of the many deterants of killing off the largest of the remaining communist countries. However recent technology is making MAD less and less of a realizable threat. (Missile Defense Agency) Here you can find unclassified info on many systems that will be coming online shortly and on systems that are online like THAAD and the Patriot Missle System. Yes there are far more people in the Chinese Military but they arent nearly as advanced in battle technology.

    And I won't go into the fact that American soldiers are smarter faster and better trained.

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

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    And I won't go into the fact that American soldiers are smarter faster and better trained.
    You really ought to have a source for a statement like that.

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    for one, they have the largest military in the world. The PLA or Peoples Liberation Army, Is a well trained military. They out number us 3 to 1. A war with china would be just like vietnam. We lost that didn't we? And that was only because china was sided with vietnam supplying them.
    You need to study history more if you think we lost Vietnam because China was supplying them.

    We lost Vietnam because liberals in the U.S. government refused to allow the military to actually fight a war and insisted of a PC 'police action'. The Vietnamese had admitted the war was lost and was contemplating surrender until Jane Fonda and other leftists started protesting the war. Those protests gave the Vietnamese hope for victory. They decided to hold and and play a waiting game to see if they could out last American resolve. They did this and the Paris Peace Accords were signed. The war officially ended in a stalemate and both Nixon and North Vietnam agreed to find a political solution. This never happened becuase congress defunded the military (Thank you Ted Kennedy) and then refusing to help our Vietnamese allies as we had promised to do. The N. Vietnamese then had free reign to take S Vietnam.

    If you want to read more about the Vietnam war, here's the link to the Wikipedia article on it.

    Your assumptions that just because China has a larger military force and more population they could stand up to us in a military conflict is very flawed. History is rife with examples where superior numbers were defeated by better armed, better trained, and better disciplined troops. If the US does indeed have those three elements then China is at a disadvantage despite having more troops. If China felt they could defeat the U.S. in open warfare they would have begin military aggressions against Taiwan by now. The only thing standing in their way is the U.S. resolve to protect it's allies.

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    First off, I do have to say that the largest supplier of oil to the US is Canada, making the need to "Seize the Iraqi oil fields" a moot point. If they want more oil from us Canucks, try relaxing the Passport requirements, and taking a Canadian citizen off your terrorist watch list who has been proven innocent for almost a year now.

    Second, China, while having the ability and man power to challenge the US in open conflict, lack the logistics to do so. Man power is useless if you can't get your troops on the ground.

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    You dont need high technology and information to kill some one with a bullet. Which is why they will fight using guerrilla tatics.

    Also, china declared a no first use policy, meaning they wont use nuclear weapons unless someone uses nuclear weapons on them.

    The PLA is rapidly upgrading to new technology. If they can go from midevil times to future times in 20 years, they can definetly do the same with the military.

    You dont want to admit it, but china has a lot of potential to become a super power and a fierce competitor with the US.

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    You're being optimistic. China is missing some key things to becoming the power that you describe. Among those is a technology base with a well educated general populace.

    Buuuut since someone asked for a breakdown of military capability I found some charts someone has made on military ability of pretty much every country in the world.

    Armed Forces of the World
    According to their charts the US ranks 93% for total quality and China ranks 32%.

    Australia has a 54%
    The UK has a 77%
    Germany has a 64%
    Israel has a 61%
    Japan has a 73%

    The rest are under 50% and most of those are under 20%
    So if you were going to rank militaries it would go:
    1. USA
    2. UK
    3. Japan
    4. Germany
    5. Israel
    6. Australia
    7. Canada / France (49%)
    8. Netherlands (48%)
    9. Saudi Arabia (45%)
    10. Italy / Finland (43%)

    China does not even make the top 10.

    TOT QUAL (total force quality) is a fraction by which raw (theoretical) combat power should be multiplied to account for imperfect leadership, component of force quality, support, training and other "soft" factors. Think of it as an efficiency rating, with "100" being perfect and "55" being a more common 55 percent efficiency.

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    LOL you have no idea how flawed that is.

    Japan doesnt even have an army. Did you forget that?

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    Re: US China Oil Conspiracy

    Not at all. They are called the Self-Defense Forces (SDF) and are prohibited from being deployed in war actions outside of Japan. Among other things they have over 150-thousand ground troops and a total paid military personal of 240-thousand.

    Read here: Japan Military Guide


    Then go study your military history a little more.
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