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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

    Quote Originally Posted by Heartless_mage View Post
    and there is no way to prove there is a god.........except death...............


    so do you creationist believe that there is no such thing as evolution................because evolution is all around us............when you see a bird flying.........evolution..............contrary to what the bible says................where are the dinosaurs in the bible............where is the evolution that has been proven........it cant be seen.......so.......before you put evolution down.............look around and just asses the situation...........just dont go by blind beliefs.......
    i really dont understand what your saying... actually your theory right there supports creation more than evolution, for example, you must of heard someone say, hey look around, gods fingerprints are everywhere, the world is so unique i really dont believe evolution can create sucha thing. where are the dinosuars in the bible? that is completely irrelevant you might as well ask Where are the pandas in the bible? or where are cute little turtles? and if your wondering...

    Job: 15-17

    15 "Look at the behemoth, [a]
    which I made along with you
    and which feeds on grass like an ox.

    16 What strength he has in his loins,
    what power in the muscles of his belly!

    17 His tail [b] sways like a cedar;
    the sinews of his thighs are close-knit

    this is one of many verses... i have plenty more, actually a whole book on it to be precise. And no this is not a representation of god or some figure in the bible.

    "just dont go by blind beleifs"

    hm? well thats interesting maybe you should read something
    "Case for Creator" by Lee Strobel
    it shows what the top scientist in the world think of evolution, its rather interesting to hear what they have to say. for its truly hard to tell someone about how misleading evolution really is unless you dont have some type of college credit.


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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiden View Post
    hm? well thats interesting maybe you should read something
    "Case for Creator" by Lee Strobel
    it shows what the top scientist in the world think of evolution, its rather interesting to hear what they have to say. for its truly hard to tell someone about how misleading evolution really is unless you dont have some type of college credit.
    At the same time, Philosophers, and learned men of religion have been trying for centuries to come up with a logical argument to prove the existent of God, and the only thing that they been able to prove is that the only safe position to take is the agnostic one. So from a logical point of view, religion is no better... At least with Evolution, the scientific community is SUPPOSE TO DISCUSS IT, including possible flaws and corrections to the current idea.
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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

    hm? well thats interesting maybe you should read something
    "Case for Creator" by Lee Strobel
    it shows what the top scientist in the world think of evolution, its rather interesting to hear what they have to say. for its truly hard to tell someone about how misleading evolution really is unless you dont have some type of college credit.
    Yes your going to always find top scientist that have trouble with evolution. Scientist are human and some are religious. Just as you find scientist againat evolution, you'll find just as many for it.

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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

    Quote Originally Posted by LenMiyata View Post
    Grumble Grumble Grumble

    At the same time, Philosophers, and learned men of religion have been trying for centuries to come up with a logical argument to prove the existent of God, and the only thing that they been able to prove is that the only safe position to take is the agnostic one. So from a logical point of view, religion is no better... At least with Evolution, the scientific community is SUPPOSE TO DISCUSS IT, including possible flaws and corrections to the current idea.
    I understand, your logic, it appears that on this voluntary basis neither side well be fully understood


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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

    Quote Originally Posted by manga fanatic View Post
    well i think there is a god i think that we did evovle beacuse there is proof of evolution and no one has any refernces (except the bible ) of god making life
    there really is almost no evidence that supports the theory of evolution in the degree that science passes off as true. only on the microscopic level do we see anything of the like.

    in fact, the existence of magic has more proof than the possibility of one species becoming another.

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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

    Quote Originally Posted by manga fanatic View Post
    well i think there is a god i think that we did evovle beacuse there is proof of evolution and no one has any refernces (except the bible ) of god making life
    Well I guess that is partly true... but the way everything was created is too perfect to just be evolutionized the way they say it did . Out of all the atoms , molecules and stuff that was in the atmosphere, how coincidental that they all happen to form the right bonds to start life. There was a greater force behind it , because its just too perfect to be made spontaneously.
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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fayt lingod View Post
    there really is almost no evidence that supports the theory of evolution in the degree that science passes off as true. only on the microscopic level do we see anything of the like.

    in fact, the existence of magic has more proof than the possibility of one species becoming another.
    Actually, there is great amount of evidence for evolution, (but they don't teach this in high schools). The concept of genetic evolution is so fundemental to the Bio-Tech industry, that is some kind of evolutionary process did not occur, then the success with bio-engineered plants and animals, and the break-throughs in the pharmacutical industry simply should not have occurred...
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    Re: vitalism vs mechanism (Creationist vs Evolution)

    Creationism should not be included in schools for the simple fact that it is not a true science, it does not abide by the scientific method, you cannot test it, and there is no evidence for it. The entire subject of creationism can be taught in less than a paragraph. It is a religious concept and the seperation of church and state should remain as is.

    A very good analogy was made by someone and I wish I knew who they were. Supposing there was a puzzle, and creationism was represented as a little girl with an icecream cone, whereas evolution was represented by a basket with puppies in it.

    As mankind has learned and discovered more and more he has found more and more pieces to this puzzle. At this point in time the puzzle is anything but finished, but a lot of it is indeed done. Looking at the puzzle as a whole you can easily make out parts of the puppies such as a paw here, a tail there, 2/3rd of a head there, you can see the makings of the basket and the blanket which the puppies lie on. However the fact of the matter is the puzzle is not yet complete. And while pieces are still being found every now and then (new evidence) some pieces have been forever lost. Another problem is inside the box the puzzle came in is a piece of paper which shows a picture of a girl with an ice cream cone, the paper claims that is what the puzzle should look like when completed.

    Creationists point to the picture and claim that until the puzzle is 100% complete, the answer to the puzzle is obviously a girl with an ice cream cone. Those who support evolution point to the partially completed puzzle and point out that puppies and the makings of a basket can very clearly be seen.

    And since the puzzle will never be completed because of the lost pieces, this arguement is likely to never cease. That is Evolution vs. Creationism.

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